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re: Why are there no car companies that make cars that looks as good as expensive...
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:30 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:30 pm to TheCaterpillar
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2016 CX-5 I bought my wife (hers is white and the interior is super luxurious):
Damn. That is fine.
I was car shopping a few months ago and then my parents randomly gave me their SUV. I had never owned an SUV before.
Now, I don't know if I can go back to car.
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Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:30 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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The reason that most generic sedans look like generic sedans is because the people who buy them are looking for generic sedans. To make them more "stylish" would push away some of their base customers.
Don't know that I totally agree with this, but there's something to this line of thought.
I don't think more stylish Camrys would push away enough people to make an appreciable dent into their profit margin, at least not because of the change in looks alone. It would be because they'd hike up the price of the Camry as well. It costs money to make cars more stylish. In automotive design, as in any other profession, there are great designers and so-so designers. Manufacturers expend more capital to make cars look better, so naturally they pass that cost off to the consumer. If you made the Camry look better, they'd charge you more for it.
I like the way the newer Kias look though. I think my next car will be a Kia, but I wonder if they are even profitable right now, with their stylish, affordable car lines and all of the money they spend in advertising. They're probably willing to take a loss right now as they continue to carve out a niche in the market.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:32 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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I would need to see evidence of this to believe it.
The evidence is in the sales figures of crossover SUVs with similar MPG, safety ratings, and cabin space as minivans vs the sales figures of minivans. If no one thought they looked better than SUVs, minivans would no longer be sold because SUVs today can offer what minivans offer. This is no longer 2001 when SUVs got 17 MPG.
One can conclude that either the buyers 1) don't care about the way their vehicle looks 2) they think the vans look better. That second group may be smaller than the first group, but that second group still exists because if they didn't exist, vans would not look any different than what they looked like in 1990. This is where logic and reason have brought us.
I'm sorry you don't understand this.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:33 pm to PrimeTime Money
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That was the first thing they noticed.
No, the first thing they noticed was the Consumer Reports according to your story. You're adding more variables than we are talking about.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:33 pm to Pecker
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You're naive if you don't think there is a segment of 40-60 year olds who like the way minivans look and choose to purchase one over a similarly priced, similarly functional SUV or crossover.
Ehh, I still don't think it is an aesthetics thing though. I'd argue it is a marketing strategy more than anything. I think there are people who genuinely prefer something more boring. To put it another way, I think people have certain lifestyles where they think a minivan is more appropriate than an SUV or crossover.
I think the Prius is a good example. No SOB in their right mind thinks a Prius is a good looking vehicle with respect to the rest of the hybrids or electrical vehicles in that segment. However, it has come to represent a certain lifestyle so people continue to purchase it. I'd make the same argument for minivans. There are moms and dads out there who actually want to be a minivan owner, but I wouldn't confuse that with people who think they are a more stylish choice.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:34 pm to slackster
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No SOB in their right mind thinks a Prius is a good looking vehicle with respect to the rest of the hybrids or electrical vehicles in that segment
This is false. You are assigning your opinion as fact. Sales disagree with you.
There are so many people that think Prii are good looking. Especially when you limit the discussion to hybrids only.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:35 pm to LNCHBOX
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Never go full retard.
Pot, meet kettle.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:35 pm to slackster
Good one.
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:35 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Do people not like the Nissan GT-R better than many "luxury" brand cars simply because it's Nissan?
They can't. No one will ever say a Honda is better looking than an Audi. You basically said as much yourself earlier. You're proving what I'm claiming, and you don't even see it
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:36 pm to THRILLHO
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I've got a 2016 Civic. I think it looks pretty nice.
Hope that Honda fixed the problem with the paint separating from the clear coat.
I had my '09 repainted (under warranty) on every surface (and not at the same time). Honda will fix the problem, just refused to repaint the entire car at the same time. So as each defect presented itself, I had to give my car up to the body shop.
Honda doesn't provide rental cars when you have warranty work, so they suck.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:37 pm to WhoDat937
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Chrysler 300
had this as my last rental car. Was surprisingly very impressed
Me too. I actually loved driving that car
This post was edited on 4/7/16 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:38 pm to PrimeTime Money
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Do people not like the Nissan GT-R better than many "luxury" brand cars simply because it's Nissan?
Are you serious with this? What does a super car have to do with what we're talking about?Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:38 pm to LNCHBOX
I don't get how people don't understand that there are those out there that actually like the look of minivans, the prius, the VW bug, etc.
It's like trying to convince a child "Just because you think a certain way, doesn't mean others don't think differently."
It's like trying to convince a child "Just because you think a certain way, doesn't mean others don't think differently."
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:39 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:That prompted them to even give Kia a look.
No, the first thing they noticed was the Consumer Reports according to your story. You're adding more variables than we are talking about.
The Honda was highly rated as well, and they really liked the Honda they saw. So for them to be swayed away from Honda, a vehicle that was highly rated and a vehicle that they really liked and has a good reputation, they had to really be impressed.
And they were.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:39 pm to Pecker
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I don't get how people don't understand that there are those out there that actually like the look of minivans, the prius, the VW bug, etc.
It's like trying to convince a child "Just because you think a certain way, doesn't mean others don't think differently."
Quoted for truth.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:40 pm to PrimeTime Money
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That prompted them to even give Kia a look.
It's kind of funny you don't see why that makes your story irrelevant to this discussion.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:42 pm to LNCHBOX
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No one will ever say a Honda is better looking than an Audi. You basically said as much yourself earlier. You're proving what I'm claiming, and you don't even see it
I feel like you're trying some sort of psychological game where you try to make me believe we agree on your point. It won't work.
The Chyrsler 300 is a great example. They went out and basically copied the entire look of a Bentley and that car has sold like hotcakes since its redesign. Even if you want to argue that we're conditioned to think a Bentley is a better looking vehicle, Chrysler just mimicked that styling and had great success.
The Mazdas mentioned in this thread are a great example as well. Super stylish cars in their price points compared to most of their peers. They may not blow them away with sales because obviously there is much more to a car than the way it looks, but that isn't the question being asked in this thread.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:43 pm to Red Stick Tigress
quote:I have an '08 Honda and the clear coat looks like it is starting to fail on the roof. I saw something online about them repainting certain parts of the car, like the roof. But I thought it said they would only do this until late 2014.
Hope that Honda fixed the problem with the paint separating from the clear coat. I had my '09 repainted (under warranty) on every surface (and not at the same time). Honda will fix the problem, just refused to repaint the entire car at the same time. So as each defect presented itself, I had to give my car up to the body shop. Honda doesn't provide rental cars when you have warranty work, so they suck.
It would suck if they refuse to fix a defective paint job because the defect appeared on my car a year after their window to fix it.
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:43 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:Because as you state, it's all about the brand.
Are you serious with this? What does a super car have to do with what we're talking about?
Posted on 4/7/16 at 12:45 pm to slackster
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I feel like you're trying some sort of psychological game where you try to make me believe we agree on your point. It won't work.
I don't care if it works. You can choose to remain ignorant if you like.
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The Chyrsler 300 is a great example. They went out and basically copied the entire look of a Bentley and that car has sold like hotcakes since its redesign.
They are selling less than half the volume compared to how many they sold when it first came out. Not a great example of it being successful.
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