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re: War as a purgative for society? An outlet for the restless youth?

Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:28 am to
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124204 posts
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:28 am to
I was in a wreck that fricked my back up royally. In fact it was that very night when some fricking drunk ex-marine decided I looked like a good guy to jump. If I would have thought about it...well, you don't really think about it, it just kicks in...your body does the work, you come to and observe the damage.

He didn't like the damage. Went back in the bar and pulled a fricking .45 on me. And that's why I try to stay out of those situations now.

But when those situations happen...you aren't thinking "my back can't take this." It's pure and simple berserk.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7653 posts
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:52 am to
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It's pure and simple berserk.


Yeah true, Ive just reached the point I where I now tend to stop and calm myself so I can avoid those moments. As I said, it's been 9 years since the last one I where I lost almost full control, and I'm only 28.

What scares me is the generation of people being born who will have never had to deal with learning to control themselves. When the world burns, they will be the one lighting the candle.


You didn't SWIDT? Must have skimmed my post.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124204 posts
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:54 am to
I've been up too long and the rum has dulled my senses. Read back and still don't see what I missed.

Is it something with trim? Because I still like trim. Trim is what put me in that aforementioned situation.

Trim gets me into all the worst situations.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7653 posts
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:57 am to
Gorilla
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Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124204 posts
Posted on 7/22/15 at 1:59 am to
Are you suggesting I eat you?

I'm flattered but I don't bat for that team.



Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7653 posts
Posted on 7/22/15 at 2:03 am to
You cheeky son of a...

:berserkerstatusactivated:


I was just trying to be funny.


Didn't work i guess.
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
18841 posts
Posted on 7/22/15 at 9:08 am to
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Screws fall out,


The world wide monetary system is a joke. The dollar is the universally accepted world wide currency(or something like that). We all know thats a joke. A dollar ain't worth a dime anymore. There is no precious metals to back up the money out there. In fact the only solid item you can hold in your hand, money, is being replaced by numbers transferred from one computer to another. House of cards ...???
Posted by epbart
new york city
Member since Mar 2005
2926 posts
Posted on 7/22/15 at 10:13 am to
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John Stewart Mill said that the most conspicuous feature in the history of civilization is the struggle between Liberty and Authority. That struggle is inherent in the collective human behavior.


This indirectly reminded me of Leo Tolstoy's book, The Kingdom of God is Within You. But Tolstoy takes a slightly different tack (at least in the first half of the book... I never did finish it). Instead of suggesting a balance between the two, Tolstoy dissects how governments continuously supplant the governments that precede them with the promise of improvement for the people, but all governments-- without exception-- end up oppressing their citizens. A ruling class always rises in some capacity and it is in the interest of the ruling class to limit the freedom and prosperity of the general population. And the ruling class typically attempts to destroy any dissenting opinion by any means necessary, including murder and war, for which the common people suffer most.

His solution, in as much as I've read, is passive resistance, as exemplified by Jesus... please note: Tolstoy appears to be anti-Church as well as anti-government, so it isn't Christian mongering in the common sense of the word.

Without going further into detail here about the contents of the book, it's worth mentioning that Tolstoy is essentially proposing the solution to ending war. It may seem simplistic, as it would seem that a balance does need to be struck between freedom and liberty... but there is precedence. Gandhi, citing Tolstoy as a huge influence, struck up a correspondence with him, and implemented these ideas to peacefully overthrow the colonial British government in India... a peaceful war that succeeded... no small feat.

I'll have to finish the book one of these days, but it is a pretty thought provoking read. For anyone interested, since the book is old, it's in the public domain, so it's probably fairly easy to find a free copy online.

Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
18841 posts
Posted on 7/22/15 at 12:21 pm to
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Tolstoy dissects how governments continuously supplant the governments that precede them with the promise of improvement for the people,


Hummmm .... I wonder where that is happening. The fundamental change of America!??! A bloodless takeover.

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but all governments-- without exception-- end up oppressing their citizens. A ruling class always rises in some capacity and it is in the interest of the ruling class to limit the freedom and prosperity of the general population


Hence why people are lead into a promised land with ideals of perfect lives. The sheeple. Resistance becomes futile. It's an ideal for the imperfect world = epic fail. But our only hope is joining the other side.

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His solution, in as much as I've read, is passive resistance, as exemplified by Jesus..


I think one doesn't have to be a believer that Jesus is the son of God or even that there is a God to see that one would be a better person by living as it is recorded that he did. Passive resistance would be great if it worked. The very person he chose died a violent death. I am a Christian. I will argue that his passive resistance was the beginning of much trouble. Or should I begin some passive resistance. Maybe I'll buy a rebel flag and hang in front of my house.

Would passive resistance work immediately following a new take over? I believe most cases of passive resistance that worked is when the comet of a nation is dying out.

As noted earlier I subjugated myself to the U.S. gov't with no claims of descent. Even as a punk kid I knew I may have to and was ready to take lives at the order of the superiors. That shows just much I believe in passive resistance in an imperfect world.

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Gandhi, citing Tolstoy as a huge influence, struck up a correspondence with him, and implemented these ideas to peacefully overthrow the colonial British government in India... a peaceful war that succeeded... no small feat.


That would an example that was better but there was much more going on during that time. I would like a professional opinion before believing a skinny little man was the sole cause for Britain to give up such a rich nation. Britain has given other countries/territories their freedom in recent history also. Any passive resistance was bolstered by a rapidly softened nation slowly slipping into the wimpishness joining the rest of Europe.

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Even knowing that it will do me no good to study the authors of socialism.


When one knows the enemy they are better prepared to take them on. Even knowing this enemy in my case will do no good. I pretty much get the jest of their ideals. I know that they will never work in an imperfect world. I thank you for the advice just the same.
Posted by DaTroof
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2015
976 posts
Posted on 7/22/15 at 12:25 pm to
Stop pushing moronic religious bullshite on them and begin challenging them with math and science.
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