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re: Walker mayor threatens lawsuit....
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:05 am to CarRamrod
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:05 am to CarRamrod
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And IMO the design flaw is not the drainage holes in the barrier, but there was no drainage culverts under the raised interstate portion. That is the design flaw. Anytime a road is raised with fill proper culverts should be installed to prevent ponding.
The design flaw was the solid wall. When the wall was put up the mayor of Walker wanted better drainage and he was refused by DOTD. Now is his "I told you so" moment.
Would removing the solid wall have prevented Walker from flooding... no. Would it have prevented the water from getting to 5 foot and higher... probably so. In the Pendarvis Rd area (between I-12 and 190) it would have absolutely prevented the water from getting as high as it did.
Some of the hardest hit areas were from DS to Walker in between I-12 and 190. Range Ave, Juban Rd, Walker South... and all of those businesses and houses that are clustered in those areas.
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Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:05 am to terd ferguson
where was this picture taken? i see water spilling out at consistent intervals in this one.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:06 am to WallsAllAroundMe
I support the mayor especially since he brought this issue/concern up to the Feds and state over the last 3 years.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:07 am to tigerbutt
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Would have been better to allow the water to flow across interstate and flood homes there.
The worst part is that many of the homes south of I-12 flooded anyway... it just took a little longer.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:07 am to terd ferguson
quote:not really there is more to it. Look at the circled red. The roadway itself was high and holding water back. and as i said before drain holes in the barriers would not be enough to drain a 500 year event. There should have been drainage culverts where i marked in green to prevent ponding.
Here's a picture that pretty much sums it up:
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:09 am to link
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The design flaw was the solid wall
quote:looks like the standard drainage holes were in the barriers.
where was this picture taken? i see water spilling out at consistent intervals in this one.
Hey look im not taking up for anyone here. but when you have a city that has an 18 flip on a stretch of interstate ever week, a wall is needed to prevent that thing from rolling to the other side of the interstate.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:10 am to CarRamrod
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And IMO the design flaw is not the drainage holes in the barrier, but there was no drainage culverts under the raised interstate portion. That is the design flaw. Anytime a road is raised with fill proper culverts should be installed to prevent ponding.
Oh, well that settles it then.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:11 am to link
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where was this picture taken?
Looks like either DS or Juban overpass.
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i see water spilling out at consistent intervals in this one.
It's being forced through the slits between each section.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:12 am to CarRamrod
Your argument is terrible. If the wall was not there, or adequate drainage provided, the water would not have backed up to Juban. The vast majority of the roadway is 6' below the top of the wall. The interstate wasnt the problem, the wall was.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:14 am to CarRamrod
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Look at the circled red. The roadway itself was high and holding water back.
In one area... a fraction of the length of a solid 5 foot wall that runs from Denham Springs all the way to Satsuma.
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and as i said before drain holes in the barriers would not be enough to drain a 500 year event.
Right... but not having a wall would have been enough to help drain
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:14 am to link
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where was this picture taken? i see water spilling out at consistent intervals in this one.
That's the pic they were calling Walker when he was on the news. The water you see is draining between the slits, they aren't completely flush, but what's missing is the usual large forklift holes under each section that allows for better drainage. Culverts, holes, who gives a shite. The design of the interstate absolutely contributed to the higher water level. If I was the engineer who designed it I would feel like a piece of shite, though I understand you can't plan for every possible bad thing that may ever happen.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:15 am to terd ferguson
quote:that's what i was thinking. from your other photo, looks like the wall has no holes anywhere in it. it'll be interesting to see what policies are changed because of this.
It's being forced through the slits between each section.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:16 am to DownSouthDave
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Your argument is terrible.
i even drew you a picture..... you can see the raise roadway, on the flooded side. Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:18 am to terd ferguson
quote:so you just want interstate traffice to be able to cross over to the other side, on one of the more traveled interstates in the US, where there are more than the average number of 18 wheeler accidents.
but not having a wall would have been enough to help drain
This post was edited on 8/26/16 at 11:19 am
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:19 am to link
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looks like the wall has no holes anywhere in it
It doesn't. I've looked very closely at it over the past week and the only available drainage is the thin slits between ~20ft sections. It's eerie that the mudline on the trees can still be seen on the westbound side, perfectly level with top of the wall. Little to no mud line on the other side. That's all I need to see to know what happened.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:24 am to CarRamrod
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so you just want interstate traffice to be able to cross over to the other side, on one of the more traveled interstates in the US, where there are more than the average number of 18 wheeler accidents.
Or, you know, we could use a giant hyperbole cannon to shoot some holes in it that are smaller than a car but larger than the thickness of a sheet of plywood.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:27 am to terd ferguson
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Well they certainly didn't think this out very well:
Need to take in to consideration that all the new construction and additions to all of that area changed how the river was going to react and flow in a flood as this one.
Nobody could have ever seen this possibility.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:30 am to TheDrunkenTigah
quote:or you could have proper drainage under the raise roadway.
Or, you know, we could use a giant hyperbole cannon to shoot some holes in it that are smaller than a car but larger than the thickness of a sheet of plywood.
you are placeing blame on this wall when really there was not proper drainage under the raised roadway. it is simple as that.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:37 am to CarRamrod
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so you just want interstate traffice to be able to cross over to the other side, on one of the more traveled interstates in the US, where there are more than the average number of 18 wheeler accidents.
Are you telling me that the only possible barrier on that stretch of interstate is a 5 foot concrete wall?
Cable barriers are the best for absorbing the force of impact and would allow for adequate drainage.
Posted on 8/26/16 at 11:39 am to CarRamrod
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or you could have proper drainage under the raise roadway.
you are placeing blame on this wall when really there was not proper drainage under the raised roadway. it is simple as that.
Drainage or not, it's more than a raised roadway. The flood water got 5 feet ABOVE the raised roadway due to the additional height of the wall.
It's as simple as that.
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