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re: USW strike...** POSSIBLE END IN SIGHT **

Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:48 am to
Posted by SPEEDY
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Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:48 am to
So when does the Baton Rouge plant go on strike?
Posted by Arkla Missy
Ark-La-Miss
Member since Jan 2013
10288 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:50 am to
Exxon? I have no idea.
Posted by MeatHammer09
SoLa
Member since May 2014
230 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:51 am to
We have control on local issues we want. We propose the things we think we need/want and then our local brings it to the table for us. As far as you making a name for yourself and promoting your own work then feel free. The union has nothing to do with your production/work. The union protects your job if you were to ever make a mistake or in a tough situation that could result in termination. This part is the ugliest becasue the two sides are fighting and it looks terrible on the union. The union wants whats best for its people and the companies want whats best for their pockets but it usually ends up about money bc the companies always try to short change their workforce.

as far as the dark cloud comment, that usually applies to the older union hands who still think its the 80's.

i know i know....tl;dr
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:52 am to
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as far as the dark cloud comment, that usually applies to the older union hands who still think its the 80's.


Damn you. I will beat you with a bar of soap in a sock and then slash you tires.
Posted by tankyank13
NOLA
Member since Nov 2012
7721 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:58 am to
quote:

the companies want whats best for their pockets


which is great for the employee long term

quote:

companies always try to short change their workforce.


simply not true, paying someone 100k plus a year who a year earlier was probably selling insurance on 100% commission salary, before hitting lottery getting his or her current job, isn't exactly short changing



Posted by MeatHammer09
SoLa
Member since May 2014
230 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:59 am to
The younger union memebers join the union a)bc their family was in the union and they seen the benefits or b)the older hands took them under their wing and explained the pros/cons(more so the pros). I was raised in this type of industry and im fine by that. I provide for my family the best way i know how and they appreciate it. Unions are what got the wages and benefits they way they are today. Plus i worked at a non-union facitlity before and they started slashing away at 401k's/pensions and insurances so i looked for aother job and landed one at a union facility. IMO, the union facilty is 100% better.
Posted by Modern
Fiddy Men
Member since May 2011
16877 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:00 pm to
Is there anything going on at the BR plants and plants down the river?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260307 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:00 pm to
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bc the companies always try to short change their workforce.


Don't work for a union if this is your stance. Make yourself valuable, and when your replacement value becomes high, you'll be better off.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:02 pm to
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Make yourself valuable, and when your replacement value becomes high, you'll be better off.


Isn't this kind of what is happening? As a group the workforce is valuable.
Posted by MeatHammer09
SoLa
Member since May 2014
230 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:06 pm to
Don't work for a union if this is your stance. Make yourself valuable, and when your replacement value becomes high, you'll be better off.

What??
Ive worked for both and making myself valuable has nothing to do with anything "union". Union protects your job if you are in a sticky situation and it merely isnt your fault or your doing. Working at a non-union facility, it is up to the facility to say if your valuable enough to stay or go.
I agree with your statement half heartedly. I agree on making yourself valuable and promoting yourself but dont agree on your stance saying the union is in control of it.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:10 pm to
I don't want to speak for the guy, but the belief from the outside is that none of the operators would have their jobs if the union disbanded.
Posted by tankyank13
NOLA
Member since Nov 2012
7721 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:11 pm to
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Working at a non-union facility, it is up to the facility to say if your valuable enough to stay or go.


and this is bad how? wouldn't you want to employ the best and brightest?

your view is skewed big time
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:12 pm to
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wouldn't you want to employ the best and brightest?


sufficient and cheaper are the words you are looking for.
This post was edited on 2/1/15 at 12:13 pm
Posted by MeatHammer09
SoLa
Member since May 2014
230 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:15 pm to
simply not true. At least i dont think . The staff that would temporarily take our place couldnt sustain the facility and do their jobs all at once. If they were to bring in outside people to run the facility, the training that would need to do so would take too long for them to be efficient. Plus the country couldnt survive if the USW disbanded. 64% of the countries supply of fuel would be gone not to mention other byproducts that come from the O&G industry.
Posted by MeatHammer09
SoLa
Member since May 2014
230 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:16 pm to
tankyank13

you would think that would be the case but its simply not. Its all about numbers and demographics.
Posted by swanny297
NELA
Member since Oct 2013
2189 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:22 pm to
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The union has nothing to do with your production/work. The union protects your job i


if you need someone to protect your job maybe you should evaluate your contribution. Unions protect people who don't do their job more than those that come to work every day and put in a good days work. When was the last time a grievance was filed for someone doing a great job.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19686 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:23 pm to
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They all have a choice...don't join union.


You don't have to join the union, but if the union strikes you're locked out with the rest of them.

Also, at least half the plants on the river are union.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260307 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

Union protects your job if you are in a sticky situation


Kind of what I figured. It protects those who would have a hard time in a strictly merit system.
Posted by Teauxler
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
3291 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:24 pm to
Only if they are a USW plant.
Posted by MeatHammer09
SoLa
Member since May 2014
230 posts
Posted on 2/1/15 at 12:24 pm to
Swanny297

I agree with you. Thats one of the cons about its job protection.
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