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UK University Costs - For UK residents, cheaper than most private high schools in U.S.

Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:49 am
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:49 am
Including Oxford and Cambridge...

~$12,000 at highest end (avg is closer to $8,000) per year for tuition and fees. And appears to have abundant merit-based opportunities to reduce this further.

How does that compare to Harvard and Yale or UCLA and Berkeley or LSU and ULL?

LINK

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Many undergraduates in UK pay up to £9,250 per annum (year) in tuition costs (the cost of education is capped by the government). The average is approximately £6,000 per annum.


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As an undergraduate, you would only take three years of schooling (as opposed to four) and postgraduate studies (Master’s Degrees) only take one year to complete.


Discuss! At face value, UK seems to have this right (especially the 3-years vs. 4-years undergraduate model...always thought fat/repetitive with High Schools in U.S. undergrad programs)

Of course, total cost not made clear:
UK taxes
Residency costs
Etc.

But face value, seems UK has something right when U.S. has opportunities to improve
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
25455 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:50 am to
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UK taxes


There's your answer
Posted by wileyjones
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:50 am to
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But face value, seems UK has something right when U.S. has opportunities to improve
yea but then you have to go to uk
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260611 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:51 am to
it was "free" in the 60's. Then the working class started paying attention to their tax liability in the 90's.

It benefitted the wealthy, which is why it ended.
This post was edited on 7/26/22 at 10:53 am
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
20138 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:52 am to
I thought it would be even cheaper. I think in other European countries you only pay parking and maybe books.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99048 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:52 am to
It’s through their taxes.

That said, I’m willing to bet it’s still significantly cheaper even with taxes then US universities.
Posted by cubsfan5150
Member since Nov 2007
15774 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:53 am to
College should be difficult to be accepted to and cheap once accepted.
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
10571 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:54 am to
So I think there is some misconception here. I did study abroad at Regent's in London and Cambridge. The campuses are typically smaller, curriculum more focused and facilities less modern.

There is also less staff. Their summer programs are bare bones.

They also don't run electricity (aka AC majority of the day) all day besides essentials.

There are a-lot of factors that make it more cost effective overall.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20895 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:55 am to
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yea but then you have to go to uk



Interestingly a degree from St Andrews is about the same. That's a world class degree for not a lot of money.
Posted by 0x15E
Outer Space
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:55 am to
Yea, but Kentucky has good bourbon
Posted by DontThreadOnMe
Member since Jul 2022
364 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:55 am to
Tax rates in the UK start at 40% if you earn around $40,000 or more.

That's how their shite gets paid for.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260611 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:56 am to
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Interestingly a degree from St Andrews is about the same


I think he was making fun of our own Kentucky.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20895 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:57 am to
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So I think there is some misconception here. I did study abroad at Regent's in London and Cambridge. The campuses are typically smaller, curriculum more focused and facilities less modern.

There is also less staff. Their summer programs are bare bones.

They also don't run electricity (aka AC majority of the day) all day besides essentials.

There are a-lot of factors that make it more cost effective overall.


All of which colleges here should adopt. There's tons of fat to trim.
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
10571 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:58 am to
No argument there, but there's more to it then just deferring costs to the taxpayer.
Posted by ExtraGravy
Member since Nov 2018
794 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 10:59 am to
Just keep in mind:

LINK /

"If Britain were a U.S. state, it would be the second-poorest, behind Alabama and before Mississippi"
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If Britain were to join the United States, it would be the second-poorest state, behind Alabama and ahead of Mississippi.

The ranking, determined by Fraser Nelson, an editor of The Spectator magazine, was made by dividing the gross domestic product of each state by its population, and it took into account purchasing power parity for cost of living. Several other European countries were also included in the ranking.


so even their top universities cannot charge high tuition like we see in the US, because their upper middle class cannot handle it. The income you may make in Britain is surprisingly lower than for a comparable job in much of the US. For example, it's routine for police administrators to make over $100,000 a year in the US, and in some departments (including NOPD) line officers can make that much. In Britain there would be very few police jobs paying that well.

Last thought on college- our cost of college is distorted thanks to government subsidies of the student loan industry, which leads to the sickening growth of debt.

This chart, comparing the growth in prices for items subsidized vs not subsidized by the government, is quite revealing:

LINK
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79168 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 11:00 am to
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Oxford and Cambridge


Pretty sure they have strict entrance standards and it's not a free for all like LSU
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
10571 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 11:06 am to
To give you an idea about facilities. Cambridge and LSU close to similar enrollments.

Cambridge is 710 acres vs LSU's 4,925.

Cambridge 3,600 administrative staff...LSU has 5,000

Cambridge has more academic staff but majority are part-time or research fellows.

Just more efficient from top to bottom.
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
3230 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 11:09 am to
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Interestingly a degree from St Andrews is about the same. That's a world class degree for not a lot of money


And you get to play St Andrews for student rates and can get tee times
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
3230 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 11:11 am to
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There is also less staff. Their summer programs are bare bones.

They also don't run electricity (aka AC majority of the day) all day besides essentials.

There are a-lot of factors that make it more cost effective overall.



So.... No lazy rivers to float in
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76334 posts
Posted on 7/26/22 at 11:14 am to
The US government has driven up tuition costs by subsidizing student loans.
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