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Three states now have pending legislation to lower drinking age to 18
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:17 am
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:17 am
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At last, cracks in America’s draconian drinking-age edifice are starting to appear. A movement is developing that would make US law like most other civilized countries in the world.
New Hampshire is considering legislationthat would allow people 18 and older to consume wine and beer (but not liquor) in a public, commercial establishment, as long as they are accompanied by someone over 21.
A bill in the Minnesota state legislature would do the same.
And next November, California will vote on a ballot initiative that would simply lower the drinking age to 18 across the board. The states would lose eight percent of federal highway funding, but they could expect to make up the difference in alcohol sales.
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What good would lowering the drinking age do? It would put an end to the perverse culture of secretiveness and abuse that has grown up around underage drinking. It would allow bars and restaurants to become “safe spaces” for college-age students to drink and Uber home if they need to. Proponents will undoubtedly also emphasize the revenue gains for the state that would come from legalization.
But the longer-term gains would be cultural. We could begin to foster a more European-style culture of drinking that promotes responsibility and civilized sobriety. People are more likely to act like adults if you treat them as adults. Prohibition has promoted a horrible childishness with terrible results for everyone.
What about the fears of drunk driving? It really is a separate problem that laws against drunk driving are designed to address. And as for the claim from MADD that raising the drinking age to 21 has saved 20,000 lives, there is no basis for it at all.
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It's about time.
Eta-I fully expect MADD and LEO to shut this down as quickly as possible. This would put quite a dent in their business model.
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Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:19 am to NYNolaguy1
MADD will never allow it.
frick those people for so many reasons.
frick those people for so many reasons.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:19 am to NYNolaguy1
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New Hampshire is considering legislationthat would allow people 18 and older to consume wine and beer (but not liquor) in a public, commercial establishment, as long as they are accompanied by someone over 21.
I think MS already has this law, although I think you have to be with a legal guardian instead of someone over 21.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:20 am to NYNolaguy1
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But the longer-term gains would be cultural. We could begin to foster a more European-style culture of drinking that promotes responsibility and civilized sobriety. People are more likely to act like adults if you treat them as adults. Prohibition has promoted a horrible childishness with terrible results for everyone.
This part is so fricking true.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:20 am to NYNolaguy1
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Do they really expect to make up the difference with sales to customers 18-21? That's a lot of money.
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he National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 (23 U.S.C. § 158) was passed on July 17, 1984.[1][2][3] It punished every state that allowed persons below 21 years to purchase and publicly possess alcoholic beverages by reducing its annual federal highway apportionment by ten percent. The law was later amended, lowering the penalty to eight percent from fiscal year 2012 and beyond.[4]
Do they really expect to make up the difference with sales to customers 18-21? That's a lot of money.
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Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:20 am to NYNolaguy1
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The states would lose eight percent of federal highway funding
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:21 am to NYNolaguy1
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What good would lowering the drinking age do? It would put an end to the perverse culture of secretiveness and abuse that has grown up around underage drinking
That was going on when it was 18 in the past as well.
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But the longer-term gains would be cultural. We could begin to foster a more European-style culture of drinking that promotes responsibility and civilized sobriety
Please, this is silly.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:22 am to Jake88
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Please, this is silly.
Have you ever been to other western countries?
It will take a while but it's very true.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:22 am to Jake88
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That was going on when it was 18 in the past as well.
So the net effect is that we start treating people like adults later in life? They have to grow up sometime.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:23 am to NYNolaguy1
Sharing the Bars with 18 year olds sounds absolutely terrible
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:23 am to GetCocky11
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he National Minimum Drinking Age Act of 1984 (23 U.S.C. § 158) was passed on July 17, 1984.[1][2][3] It punished every state that allowed persons below 21 years to purchase and publicly possess alcoholic beverages by reducing its annual federal highway apportionment by ten percent. The law was later amended, lowering the penalty to eight percent from fiscal year 2012 and beyond.[4]
Federalism at its finest.
This country is so far from the constitution it's not funny
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:25 am to wildtigercat93
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Sharing the Bars with 18 year olds sounds absolutely terrible
It's up to the bar owner who he wants to cater to. Besides, have you ever been to Maple Street in Uptown NOLA? It's mostly 18 year olds anyway. There will always be a college bar scene.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:25 am to TheCaterpillar
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MADD
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:26 am to NYNolaguy1
Growing up, it was legal for a store or bar to sell to me at 18 but illegal for me to purchase till age 21. The great liquor loophole...
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:26 am to NYNolaguy1
As if most 18 year olds weren't drinking already...
I'm for this though. LEO and MADD jimmies are officially rustled.
I'm for this though. LEO and MADD jimmies are officially rustled.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:26 am to NYNolaguy1
Didn't LA have to go to 21 because of highway funds threatened? Was it a different percent then or something? If it was untenable then why do states now feel like they will make up the difference?
NM, I guess swopin answered that.
NM, I guess swopin answered that.
This post was edited on 1/20/16 at 9:28 am
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:27 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:Pffftttt!!! It would increase the collection of alcohol taxes. But that's probably not important to those states having budget problems.....
What good would lowering the drinking age do?
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:27 am to Swoopin
Thanks Reagan
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:27 am to Swoopin
It changed in Louisiana in 96. I turned 18 and Feb and could drink legally, only to have it taken away.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 9:28 am to NYNolaguy1
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It's mostly 18 year olds anyway. There will always be a college bar scene.
I was fortunate to be in college at the tail end of Louisiana's 18 yo drinking laws. I can't fathom what it must be like to have to spend most of college sneaking alcohol and using fake IDs to go to bars. So fricking stupid for voting/draft age adults.
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