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Thoughts on trying the mentally insane
Posted on 4/8/16 at 7:55 am
Posted on 4/8/16 at 7:55 am
After they've been arrested for a heinous crime? I wanted to conduct an experiment and see what the OT's thoughts were on capital punishment (death or life in prison) for those wanted for a heinous crime.
Example: LINK
Why house this guy in a treatment facility and risk him getting out and murdering another woman because we're to rehab him so that he can stand trial to receive life in prison. Why not just give him life if all the evidence points to him?
Ill sit back and wait for the replies and downvotes from you safe-space campers.
ETA: Harsh title.
Example: LINK
Why house this guy in a treatment facility and risk him getting out and murdering another woman because we're to rehab him so that he can stand trial to receive life in prison. Why not just give him life if all the evidence points to him?
Ill sit back and wait for the replies and downvotes from you safe-space campers.
ETA: Harsh title.
This post was edited on 4/8/16 at 7:56 am
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Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:00 am to TaderSalad
Ready to double down and proactively "off" all people with mental illnesses? Could save a few lives in yiur scenario
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:01 am to TaderSalad
Just kill them
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:03 am to MLSter
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Just kill them
Love to hear you share who you think should set the criteria for what is mentally ill and what so-called normal.
Plenty of politicians have done heinous things that sociopaths would do, (which qualifies them as insane), but ppl like you would lose their mind applying that judgment to them vs some average joe
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:07 am to TaderSalad
Have them run for congress
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:08 am to TaderSalad
Insane would describe a criminal who has no recollection and no remorse of what he/she has done, correct? Asking because my wife was involved in a case where the guy was pleading insanity but he understood and was sorry for what he did. So, her and the jury found him sane so he can have the capital punishment charge if found guilty.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:09 am to TaderSalad
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:18 am to TaderSalad
Put them in a mental facility instead of prison if you want, but they should not have any avenues to freedom later on that a "mental sane" criminal doesn't have.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:30 am to TaderSalad
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Garver was charged in 2013 with tying a 20-year-old woman to her bed with electrical cords, stabbing her 24 times in the chest and slashing her throat, Snohomish County Assistant Prosecutor Craig Matheson said.
He was charged. If he were convicted of this (DNA at the scene, murder weapon, fingerprints, witnesses, etc) then he should have been brought out back and shot in the head. If he's sane enough to commit such a horrendous act, then he's sane enough to be shot like the animal he is. frick him. I hope he's found before he can do this to someone else. If he does end up hurting someone else, the we know who to blame.
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Garver, who also has a history of running from authorities, was moved to a lower-security unit of the state's largest psychiatric hospital after a judge said treatment to prepare him to face criminal charges was not working.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:30 am to TaderSalad
If anything, someone who is deemed "mentally insane" who committed a heinous, capital-offense-worthy act should just be put down- taken out back after a guilty-verdict and bullet to back of the head- 100% of the time if the crime warrants such a punishment, because they have no chance at rehabilitation.
Either that, or sanity should just never be taken into consideration. I'm not keen on the idea of a sliding scale of morality and punishment dependent on how disgusting or demented a person's behavior may be. Either they did something worth the same punishment a "sane" person would receive doing the same action, or they didn't.
I guess what I mean to say is that mental insanity should be considered the nail in the coffin, rather than the redemption card which stays the hand of the state-sanctioned reaper as it is used today.
Either that, or sanity should just never be taken into consideration. I'm not keen on the idea of a sliding scale of morality and punishment dependent on how disgusting or demented a person's behavior may be. Either they did something worth the same punishment a "sane" person would receive doing the same action, or they didn't.
I guess what I mean to say is that mental insanity should be considered the nail in the coffin, rather than the redemption card which stays the hand of the state-sanctioned reaper as it is used today.
This post was edited on 4/8/16 at 8:35 am
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:34 am to AjaxFury
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Love to hear you share who you think should set the criteria for what is mentally ill and what so-called normal.
Being a democrat would qualify IMO
Posted on 4/8/16 at 8:40 am to TaderSalad
Interesting responses.
Ill ask another question. What's to say one cant "fake" a mental illness? Doctors cant diagnose a flu these days much less accurately diagnose an ever evolving mental illnesss
Ill ask another question. What's to say one cant "fake" a mental illness? Doctors cant diagnose a flu these days much less accurately diagnose an ever evolving mental illnesss
Posted on 4/9/16 at 9:22 am to TaderSalad
My ex husband faked a mental illness to get out of responsibility.. Stayed two weeks at the place and never took the dam meds prescribed to him for his so said depression... And tried to use "I was sick then" in the argument... ASSCLOWN!
Posted on 4/9/16 at 9:29 am to AjaxFury
Well the trigger man in the Betty smothers murder in the early 90's. Says he is insane, yet he had scoped out when the bank deposits were made and planned the whole thing. An insane person would not have the capacity to plan something like that out. Just like the Colorado theater shooter. How could he be insane??? He rigged his apartment to blow up anyone who went there. Too many convicts are trying to use this.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 9:31 am to TaderSalad
I don't think mental capacity should apply at the time of trial. It should be taken into consideration during sentencing.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 9:35 am to TaderSalad
Cop out.
Bullet to the back of the head should be the penalty.
Bullet to the back of the head should be the penalty.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 9:48 am to TaderSalad
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Why house this guy in a treatment facility and risk him getting out and murdering another woman because we're to rehab him so that he can stand trial to receive life in prison. Why not just give him life if all the evidence points to him?
This is a pretty common misconception. NGRI Acquitees generally spend more time in state hospitals than they would had they been found guilty and gone to prison.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 9:54 am to dukke v
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Well the trigger man in the Betty smothers murder in the early 90's. Says he is insane, yet he had scoped out when the bank deposits were made and planned the whole thing. An insane person would not have the capacity to plan something like that out.
You are confusing legal insanity and "common-usage" insanity. Genuinely psychotic people aren't flailing around in the streets shrieking their heads off. Delusional people can frequently "look normal," but harbor very bizarre, paranoid beliefs. Planning has nothing to do with the defense of insanity. Although the statutes vary by state, a successful insanity defense typically requires that a mental illness was directly related to a defendant's understanding of right and wrong.
Being "crazy" isn't enough.
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Just like the Colorado theater shooter. How could he be insane??? He rigged his apartment to blow up anyone who went there. Too many convicts are trying to use this.
Uh, he wasn't found NGRI. His case illustrates my point, however. James Holmes was psychotic as hell at the time of the crimes, but his mental illness in no way impacted his understanding of right vs. wrong. Result? He'll die in prison. The system usually works.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 9:56 am to TaderSalad
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Ill ask another question. What's to say one cant "fake" a mental illness? Doctors cant diagnose a flu these days much less accurately diagnose an ever evolving mental illnesss
There's a huge subspecialty in psychiatry and psychology devoted to the detection of malingering. It's harder to fake a mental illness than you might think. I've seen some hilarious attempts, however.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 10:21 am to TaderSalad
I don't believe in this mental health bullshite... Do the crime, do the time
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