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re: This is how bad cops roll in the City of Brotherly Love
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:12 pm to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:12 pm to 13SaintTiger
Come on think of something witty to say.
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Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:14 pm to vol27
I don't bitch. As I said before I expect the cops to beat the shite out of thugs, if they didn't I would feel like my tax dollars would be wasted.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:15 pm to lsu480
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Very helpful. But does not always work. Still can get shot
That's bullshite
Really?
Guy profiled.
Pulled over.
"May I see your license please?".
Guy goes to get license and POW! He is shot. And before you take up for the cop, he was flat out FIRED.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:16 pm to lsu480
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:17 pm to vol27
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:19 pm to lsu480
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I don't bitch. As I said before I expect the cops to beat the shite out of thugs, if they didn't I would feel like my tax dollars would be wasted.
Your tax dollars are already wasted when millions are paid out yearly for police brutality and violation of rights. The cities and PD just does not give that money away, unless they think there is wrong-doing by the police.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:19 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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The PBI consists of police officers sitting as a panel with the case presented by a police officer called the police advocate.
I can see the benefit of this if the panel included non-cops , and cops from other agencies. Either way it does not need to be an end all be all deciding body.
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The charged officer is entitled to counsel, who is retained by the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP)
No problem with this. Everyone should be entitled to counsel. One of the reasons I want to do defense work is to also do FOP retained work. Work for the good cops and and against the bad if you will.
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paid by the legal defense fund provided by the city to the union pursuant to the collective bargaining agreement.
This I do have a problem with. I'm in the South, read no union. I pay for my own legal defense plan. I think skin in the game is a good thing on many MANY levels.
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(The police department is the only city union that utilizes its legal defense fund to pay for counsel for disciplinary matters.)...
Again, no problem with this if the individual officer is paying for his defense fund. I pay for unlimited criminal, civil, and administrative defense. The latter being the most important IMO because bullshite starts there.
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However, in most instances the case is heard de novo,
As it should be. The rules of evidence do not apply in administrative hearings. They should because it would save time promote efficiency because the appeals from administrative findings end up in court where the ROE do apply.
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The arbitrator is free to make new findings regarding the facts, reject the punishment and assess a different punishment, even if the facts as charged have been proven, on the grounds that the original punishment was arbitrary.
Lacking Efficiency
Standard for any arbitration clause in a contract. Would be unnecessary if the ROE applied in the beginning stages as I stated earlier.
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The Task Force Report states that nearly fifty percent of the disciplinary measures issued by the police commissioner are modified in some manner. Fraternal Order of Police attorneys estimate the percentage is much higher. The IA Report states that in the cases it reviewed at least thirty-eight percent of the officers dismissed were returned to duty by the arbitrators.
This is because the Union most likely picks who the arbiture is. Rule #1 of settlement agreements, I will give you whatever you want, but I get to pick how you get it. The arbitration agreement in place is doing the opposite of what arbitration agreements are supposed to accomplish...ie save time and litigation expense.
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And the disciplinary process is not efficient. The Task Force Report states that the total time from initial complaint to arbitration decision averages 519 days, and it can take as long as three years.
Like I just said above. Do away with it and go to trial. Crazy as it sounds, trial would be faster and cheaper compared to this BS.
Just my 2 cents.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:20 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Well I goes there is that one case! 
For real though you have a WAY better chance of winning powerball than getting shot by a cop if you are being polite and respectful.
For real though you have a WAY better chance of winning powerball than getting shot by a cop if you are being polite and respectful.Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:20 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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SLow motion shows he pulled it out of his own pocket. Gun charges against the perp were dropped.
After the punch to a cuffed suspect, it doesn't matter. As that officer's attorney I would stipulate the charges being dropped even if legit. The ends do not justify the means.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:21 pm to Five0
2 cents is appreciated. The point of this board
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:21 pm to LSUTANGERINE
I agree, they should stop paying them out and find individual police liable
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:22 pm to LSUTANGERINE
That's how it should be, honestly.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:52 pm to lsu480
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they should stop paying them out and find individual police liable
No one would do the job then. I think the remedy is in the middle. #1 make law enforcement a profession like an attorney. They pay their own malpractice insurance, like I already do as a LEO.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 10:59 pm to Five0
That would be fine
Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:00 pm to vol27
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So pay cops more than 14 dollars an hour and the quality will go up. Only in America do we pay a pitcher 500 thousand a game but the police get a little above min wage.
Throw in teachers too. They need to be paid more. Crazy that some teachers only make $25,000/yr.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:09 pm to bayou2003
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Throw in teachers too. They need to be paid more. Crazy that some teachers only make $25,000/yr.
Add in the protections that an ordinary citizen would enjoy in and disciplinary process and you have a winner. Things like:
1. Due process.
2. Representation.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:13 pm to Five0
Hey what about firefighters!!! We need more money too!
Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:15 pm to Scruffy
You know that cop was thinking he looked badass when he took that picture. Instead, he's a meme.
Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:17 pm to Flamefighter
You people get paid to sleep and make chili. Nuff said.
My old man was hosedragger soo....
ETA:
Kelly Days.....damn I should have been a hosedragger.
My old man was hosedragger soo....
ETA:
Kelly Days.....damn I should have been a hosedragger.
This post was edited on 7/24/15 at 11:18 pm
Posted on 7/24/15 at 11:17 pm to lsu480
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Cops are always cool to me because I am white, it's that easy
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