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re: the internet is about to become worse than television - net neutrality
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
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also, the people who really fricked everything up are the torrenters. no joke. they are a small % of the internet population and take up an inordinate amount of bandwidth, causing the cable companies to really react
Individuals who torrent are paying for bytes.
People who stream Netflix are paying for bytes.
People who game online are paying for bytes.
People who pay bills online are paying for bytes.
People who post on Tigerdroppings are paying for bytes.
A byte is a byte, and most ISPs already have caps in place to limit those who exceed their bandwidth allowance each month. If someone who torrents hits their cap faster, fine. Charge appropriately for it.
The user, however, shouldn't be punished just because their bytes are coming from a certain location. This is absolutely absurd.
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Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:so after having years and years of oligarchy, just let "the free market" take care of it?
well the biggest issue is government influence, mostly at the state and local level. that, along with torrentors, are the evil entities in this argument. you're not going to fix that problem of government by using government, though
at best, you get a band-aid
talk about barriers to entry...
quote:after restrictions are lifted after these companies were given ENORMOUS amounts of money
of course when government restrictions are lifted, people/entities have more power over their property
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:22 pm to usc6158
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The barriers to entry in telecom are massive
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There are only a few companies with the capital and incentive to challenge the status quo in telecom (probably just Google, Apple, and Amazon at this point).
then we need to look at what caused this, and correct that. otherwise we'll just have to re-do everything again with the next tech
the internet isn't a right or anything. it's a service provided by companies spending money to provide that service. the biggest dirty secret of the internet is that it is not very profitable. another e-bubble is actually forming right now that is dangerous to the long-term viability of the internet (especially without a real backbone of profits)
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:23 pm to Cs
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The user, however, shouldn't be punished just because their bytes are coming from a certain location. This is absolutely absurd.
it's not a punishment
what right do you have to tell a company what they can do with their property? why do you get to punish them by making them charge equally for every site? what right do you have to do that?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:29 pm to Duckie
American ISP blow shitty prices for shitty speed.
Ive had nothing less than 100meg since moving to Europe.
Ive had nothing less than 100meg since moving to Europe.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:29 pm to StraightCashHomey21
i'm praying this is the spark that gets our electronic infrastructure developed at a high rate, b/c it isn't developing at all right now
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:30 pm to StraightCashHomey21
3 pages and this hasnt been posted yet?
does a better job of explaining it than 3 pages of talking
eta better image
does a better job of explaining it than 3 pages of talking
eta better image
This post was edited on 4/30/14 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
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then we need to look at what caused this, and correct that. otherwise we'll just have to re-do everything again with the next tech
It's not that anything caused it. It's the nature trying to create any type of large, expensive, distributed infrastructure. It's insanely expensive to lay cable everywhere. Telecom started as a SOE in most of the world for a reason. There's not a gamechanger for Internet delivery at least in the short term to cut down on cost.
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the biggest dirty secret of the internet is that it is not very profitable.
Big ISPs are highly profitable because of their ability to cross-sell other products and services. It's areas like advertising that are hard to monetize.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
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why do you get to punish them by making them charge equally for every site?
What's the difference? It's all 1's and 0's
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:32 pm to usc6158
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It's not that anything caused it.
government-backed monopolies in telecom caused it
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It's areas like advertising that are hard to monetize.
and this is going to likely pave the way for that
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:33 pm to Korkstand
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But you would rather wait until it goes into effect before bitching about it?
So make angry posts on TD? Please tell me what to do to prevent it.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:33 pm to colorchangintiger
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What's the difference? It's all 1's and 0's
demand/monetization
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:33 pm to PhiTiger1764
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Please tell me what to do to prevent it.
as of right now, i do not believe that we can do anything about it, as the only way net neutrality can occur is via regulatory body
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm praying this is the spark that gets our electronic infrastructure developed at a high rate, b/c it isn't developing at all right now
The guys from Virgin Media who came to set up my fiber and tv were shocked when I told them how bad internet is in the states. They assumed we had the best and fastest
I have friends stationed on the islands in Japan who get a gig down.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:36 pm to StraightCashHomey21
i've heard korea/japan are insane
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i want companies to make the mistake of throttling things so that the market punishes them
Like how wireless providers have been cutting back data, throttling users, and raising prices and the market punished the shite out of them? No, wait, instead of being punished, AT&T is making more money than ever, and they like it so much they are probably going to do the same with Uverse.
"The market" is not some magical place where everything works out for consumers.
quote:The way it should be is that there are several companies providing similar competing products at varying levels of service, quality and price. This doesn't happen due to the extremely high barriers to entry, and as a result a very high percentage of the country has only 1 or 0 real options. The other way it should be is that I should be able to pay for the service of connecting me to the internet, which has thrived so far simply because of its open nature: a bit is a bit is a bit. As soon as net neutrality is no more, I'm no longer paying for a connection to the internet. I'm paying for access to whatever my ISP thinks I should have access to.
what is the way it "should" be?
quote:Yeah, I can imagine all those companies chomping at the bit to sponsor cheap or free internet for people who have no money to spend on their products. Think about what you're saying here.
what if this just leads to cheaper cable internet (paid for by sponsor companies who get their sites loaded faster) for poor people or public bodies? that would be a good thing for all of us
quote:Yeah, wonderful. I can see all of this investment catching up to the decades of a head start the big boys of today have, and then I can see them, after laying down all that cash, decide to charge less for more service even though they could charge more for less service like everyone else.
what if this leads to more investment in telecom infrastructure by private parties, who will replace the old guard through the market? that's the ideal solution.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:37 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i'm praying this is the spark that gets our electronic infrastructure developed at a high rate, b/c it isn't developing at all right now
And we've already paid how much in taxes to the telco's to develop our electronic infrastructure?
$200 Billion
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:38 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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I have friends stationed on the islands in Japan who get a gig down.
want to get really depressed?
LINK
check out table 1.
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
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demand/monetization
But I'm paying for 1's and 0's, how would I be punishing them by demanding access to what I am paying them for?
Posted on 4/30/14 at 2:39 pm to Cs
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A byte is a byte
A technical truth yes, but if that were a practical truth we'd still be using floppy discs. Streaming Video has completely different demands than serving a basic web page.
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The user, however, shouldn't be punished just because their bytes are coming from a certain location. This is absolutely absurd.
Agreed, once you've paid for the appropriate level of bandwidth that should be it. The ISPs want to charge twice for the same thing and keep that 2nd charge hidden from the end user so they won't complain about it as much.
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