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The Germans have built a Stellarator

Posted on 11/2/15 at 4:31 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 4:31 am
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For more than 60 years, scientists have dreamed of a clean, inexhaustible energy source in the form of nuclear fusion. And they’re still dreaming.

But thanks to the efforts of the Max Planck Institute for Plasma Physics, experts hope that might soon change. Last year, after 1.1 million construction hours, the institute completed the world’s largest nuclear fusion machine of its kind, called a stellarator.

They call this 16-metre (52-foot) wide machine the W7-X. And following more than a year of tests, engineers are finally ready to fire up the US$1.1 billion machine for the first time, and it could happen before the end of this month, Science reported.


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For years, tokamaks have been considered the most promising machine for harnessing the power of the sun because the configuration of their magnetic coils contains a plasma that is better than that of currently operational stellarators.

But there’s a problem: Tokamaks can only control the plasma in short bursts that last for no more than 7 minutes. And the energy necessary to generate that plasma is more than the energy engineers get from these periodic bursts.

Tokamaks thus consume more energy than they produce, which is not what you want from nuclear fusion reactors, which have been touted as the “most important energy source over the next millennium.”

Because of the stellarators’ design, experts suspect it could sustain a plasma for at least 30 minutes at a time, which is significantly longer than any tokamak. The French tokamak “Tore Supra” holds the record: 6 minutes and 30 seconds.

If W7-X succeeds, it could completely turn the nuclear fusion community on its head and launch stellarators into the lime light.

“The world is waiting to see if we get the confinement time and then hold it for a long pulse,” David Gates, the head of stellarator physics at the Princeton Plasma Physics Laboratory, told Science.




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Posted by AthensTiger
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 4:54 am to
Jim, cliff notes please. I don't understand that.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 4:58 am to
Fusion getting closer to feasibility-maybe.
Posted by fishfighter
RIP
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:04 am to
Or open a black hole here on earth.
Posted by Corch Urban Myers
Columbus, OH
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:13 am to
I'm all for it. However I won't be looking forward to all the economic chaos this will cause if it indeed becomes workable.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98200 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:14 am to
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I'm all for it. However I won't be looking forward to all the economic chaos this will cause if it indeed becomes workable.


Baws gonna be paying people to haul their F250's away.
Posted by Corch Urban Myers
Columbus, OH
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:25 am to
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Baws gonna be paying people to haul their F250's away.


yep.
Posted by AthensTiger
Athens, GA
Member since Jul 2008
2977 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:26 am to
So these will be used for car engines? When there is a head-on collision will it be like a bomb?
Posted by Supravol22
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 6:00 am to
I'm all for this
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 6:02 am to
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So these will be used for car engines? When there is a head-on collision will it be like a bomb?


As opposed to the giant gasoline bombs we drive now?
Posted by Supravol22
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 6:11 am to
I see this being used to replace coal plants and older nuclear plants. Mainly for the power grid. If it's basically unlimited then that'll make electricity really cheap and then electric cars will become the norm. At least that's what I hope happens.
Posted by foshizzle
Washington DC metro
Member since Mar 2008
40599 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 6:15 am to
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Jim, cliff notes please. I don't understand that.


A tokamak is a kind of fusion reactor. In theory much more efficient than a nuclear fission reactor. Problem is that every tokamak ever built is a two-pump chump - they haven't been able to hold magnetic containment for long enough. The stellerator is the latest attempt to do better so that we can finally pick these up at Autozone:




You will still need a flux capacitor though.
Posted by LanierSpots
Sarasota, Florida
Member since Sep 2010
61702 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 6:18 am to
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When there is a head-on collision will it be like a bomb?


Do you actually know how a nuclear bomb works?


Posted by AthensTiger
Athens, GA
Member since Jul 2008
2977 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 6:41 am to
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Do you actually know how a nuclear bomb works?

No. This is way over my head.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 6:43 am to
People are so incredibly ignorant of nuclear power.
Posted by GetBackToWork
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 6:58 am to
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quote: I'm all for it. However I won't be looking forward to all the economic chaos this will cause if it indeed becomes workable. Baws gonna be paying people to haul their F250's away.



Ford needs to start selling F250s in Germany.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125418 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 7:06 am to
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Ford needs to start selling F250s in Germany.



Roads and parking spaces are way too small.
Posted by GetBackToWork
Member since Dec 2007
6260 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 7:26 am to
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Roads and parking spaces are way too small.


Well then at least "Stellarator Müll machen Stellarator Bargeld" stickers.
Posted by Displaced
Member since Dec 2011
32714 posts
Posted on 11/2/15 at 7:28 am to
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And the energy necessary to generate that plasma is more than the energy engineers get from these periodic bursts.


i mean, yeah... what did they expect? to break the laws of physics?
Posted by soccerfüt
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Member since May 2013
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 7:34 am to
Müll.

Great Teutonic word.

As I understand it, any real break-through in Stellarator technology would be utilized to generate electricity like power plants are currently (see what I did there?) used and that electricity put onto the grid.
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