re: Study Finds American Millennials To Be Some Of The World's Least Skilled People

The Millennials, Scruffy's generation, are a bunch of whiny bums.

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So you "refuse to play by the old rules" and don't even think the old rules apply to you. And yet Millennials can't understand why this generation is failing so badly at get started in their careers. Wow.

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You have it exactly backwards. Millennials are failing to get their careers started BECAUSE THEY TRY TO FOLLOW THE OLD RULES. The new rules are an adaptation to confront that situation. The new rules lead to success in the face of bad odds.

You don't work at a company for 20 years anymore because the RISK-REWARD RATIO ISN'T IN THE EMPLOYEE'S FAVOR ANY MORE. You have to "quit your way up."

That's just one example, but it specially addresses your "advice," which is actually pretty terrible.

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Well yeah, they kinda do. Want to get a job managing a big company. Well go accept an ENTRY LEVEL JOB (do you know what that is?) at that company and you work your way up from there. For example, you want to be a project engineer specializing in power generation with a caterpillar dealer? They make about 100k a year BTW. Well you start out by going to that Cat dealer and accept an entry level job like shipping clerk or mechanic trainee. They start at about $20K - $25K a year or so I believe. From there you bide your time and wait for your opportunity. What you don't do is sit on your mom's couch wasting your day getting stoned and playing Grand Theft Auto on the XBox waiting for that dream job to just be handed to you.

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That would be great if retard HR would hire them for that even if they did apply. Retard HR people will only pass on someone's resume if that resume has some bullshite degree that sounds like it matches that job. Hmm...civil engineering degree with an internship with a construction company applying to work at a CAT dealership in the shipping department. I don't see a degree in "shipping". I guess I'll throw that in the trash.

I see that every day for HR people who don't know their arse from a hole in the ground. Today's hiring may be done by people who know the job, but the candidates are generally screened out before then by people with literally no concept of what the job entails or who is really qualified for it, they just go ahead and say "5 years experience" or post a GPA requirement and then wonder why they have few qualified applicants and high turnover rates among employees.

Every boomer I've talked to has a similar story about a job they worked. They wanted to work for some company and they stood outside the gates every day for a month asking for a job, and they got it. Or they showed up and asked if there were any jobs available every day at the front desk. And they got it. Do you know what would happen today if some millennial did that? They'd be thrown in jail with a restraining order! It's a different world.

Those telling millinials to "start at the bottom" don't realize that often, for those fresh out of college or high school that there is no bottom to start on. Because the boomers didn't retire 5 years ago and companies aren't growing like they use to, gen x-rs are stuck waiting for the boomers to retire to move up, and people with 5-10 years experience already hold the position. It would be like rock climbing where the first hand-hole is 12ft off the ground. Only a few can really reach it. The rest are stuck jumping up and down like a bunch of dumbasses until they give up and realize that they have to do something else.

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I hope that you don't believe what you posted.

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What I posted is true. I'm sorry if you feel threatened by it.

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You have to "quit your way up."

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That's not something you should look to do every six months though. The main problem I see with youngsters is that they want instant gratification. "I've been here six months and they still haven't made me a VP yet. Wah, wah, etc..." And then they want to hit the reset button and start somewhere else. Wherever you go, there will be people ahead of you who are more established. At some point, you just have to dig in somewhere and get the experience necessary to move up. Then you either rise through the ranks or take your marketable skills and parlay them into something better elsewhere.

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"I've been here six months and they still haven't made me a VP yet. Wah, wah, etc..."

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Do people really say this? I've never once heard someone say this since being in the working world.

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I know people who have started in a mailroom for a company they wanted to work for because they wanted to be at that place. Now multiple are managers one is 2nd hand man.

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And I know people who started in the mail room but were overqualified. On their own dime, they went to school at night, while still working in that mail room to get the proper training for a better job with that same company. HR has fought him every step of the way. He wants to move up and is now a trained paralegal, a position they are always hiring for because the people they usually hire are over-qualified and get burnt out or leave after just a month or two. This guy has worked for them for 6 years. He's tried getting paralegal jobs elsewhere, but they all require minimum 3 years experience and his mail room experience working for a major law firm doesn't count. HR is a disease at most large companies that absolutely handicaps them from growth.

I also know myself, struggling for summer work coming out of high school while in college. I was raised on hard work, working on family land in the summers for no pay rather than folding clothes at JC Penny's at 15. When I was looking for summer jobs I applied everywhere (and I mean everywhere). I got NOTHING. For 2 summers in a row, I sat home and did NOTHING because I couldn't get hired, with a 4.0 GPA because I didn't have enough relevant work experience. Our HR system is an absolute disaster that robs young workers of opportunities to gain the experience necessary to start "entry level" positions.

There are several external factors for this:
poor economy leading to stagnant job growth
minimum wage essentially setting the minimum amount someone can be paid at higher than unproven, unskilled workers are actually worth
Obamacare's insurance mandates making hiring more workers that much more risky and expensive for employers.
terrible public education system that, for all intents and purposes, teaches zero real world skills while discouraging Trade labor and pushing every kid to go to college OR ELSE.

I think you've had a bad experience. I grew up working on family farm and I have only applied for one job that i have not gotten.

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You have it exactly backwards. Millennials are failing to get their careers started BECAUSE THEY TRY TO FOLLOW THE OLD RULES. The new rules are an adaptation to confront that situation. The new rules lead to success in the face of bad odds.

You don't work at a company for 20 years anymore because the RISK-REWARD RATIO ISN'T IN THE EMPLOYEE'S FAVOR ANY MORE. You have to "quit your way up."

That's just one example, but it specially addresses your "advice," which is actually pretty terrible.

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You say that but let's look at the results....


Your way: Tons of young people living at home with no job and no hope of any future.

The old way: A 20+ year well paying, stable career that affords me and my family a nice, comfortable way of life and already sizable retirement saved up as well.

I'm someone who made it in life and I'm trying to tell the younger generation who seem to be floundering at even getting started how it's done. Yet, instead of taking that advice you keep sitting there spinning your wheels and getting nowhere.