re: Spare the rod, spoil the child...

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Atheist movement is a free-thinking movement

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It's just the opposite. Movement atheists expect everyone to conform to their worldview with no room for variation or dissent. (Not to be confused with the non-militant atheists who are open minded and can legitimately lay claim to being freethinkers.)

Theists, by contrast, are a very diverse lot.

10-14 boys

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I don't think its an argument of type of punishment per say but being competent enough to know what type of punishment would be effective at a given situation and with the given child. One size fits all doesn't work any more. Be a smart parent and you'll end up with a smart child.

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Good point. Even different kids within the same family might need different tactics.

The point is to keep them from doing the wrong thing by making sure there are consequences. But if the kid doesn't care about the consequences the discipline will be ineffective.

We didn't need elf on the shelf to me good, we had belt on the shelf

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So just let them be jackasses and do what they want and never stop them? Because if you stip them and they choose not to listen then seems onr will be sol

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If they are a jackass, it's your fault for raising a jackass. Hitting them won't make the situation better. Maybe provide me with a scenario I can work with.

By that age I wouldn't get the belt or anything. That wouldn't do shite, a teenage boy will just know you take your beating and it's over. They would take away computer time, or give extra chores, not let me go do stuff with my friends, etc. Honestly the threat of it was enough, rarely did it have to happen. For me at least.

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Because if you stip them and they choose not to listen then seems onr will be sol

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Da fuq?

My friends convinced me to take my dads truck at 13 to go meet girls. We wrecked it. I got a nice whipping and knew if i thought about it again i would get it again.


And im not whipping my daughter fwiw just proving that ay 13 year old boy can be taught by a whipping not to listen to jackass friends

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The scenario i provided of a child not listening due to outside influence of friends is a very real scenario. Around that age no matter parenting job you did outside influences come in and your child who is learning to think on his own can quickly realize he has nothing to fear as it will be all talk

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I just meant be more specific. Alright, you have a young teenage boy that has shitty friends. It depends on the personality of the kid. As mentioned by another poster, different kids have different traits (and therefore, different needs). Have a real conversation and get at the root of the problem. If they did something stupid, show them the consequences of their actions. If they wreck a truck, make them repair it. Show your disappointment. If you did a good job raising the kid, they'll have enough empathy to understand.

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Do you have children?

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Nope.

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Not possible based on your posts in this thread.

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Are you insinuating that the only way to punish a kid is by physically harming them?