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So did Mexico keep France from helping Confederacy?

Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:32 am
Posted by prplhze2000
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Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:32 am
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2017 will be the 155th anniversary of Cinco de Mayo and once again my person plans to dress up in a U. S. Colored Troops officer's replica period uniform and Mexican hat and wander through four Mexican restaurants in Natchez Ms. and Vidalia La. Cinco de Mayo celebrations..where white folks, black folks and Mexican workers will be drinking, eating and dancing to non Mexican music. This is to show the connection to how the Battle of Pueblo near Vera Cruz on May 5, 1862 was instrumental in preventing the French army from conquering Mex-i-co in order to help the Confederate army and the south during the Civil War. What if they French had been successful Black folks?

Consequences to the United States

Some historians have argued that France's real goal was to help break up the American Union, at the time in the midst of a civil war, by helping the southern Confederacy:[24] "The Mexicans had won a great victory that kept Napoleon III from supplying the confederate rebels for another year, allowing the United States to build a powerful army. This grand army smashed the Confederates at Gettysburg just 14 months after the battle of Puebla, essentially ending the Civil War." The consequence of Cinco de Mayo to the United States has been thus recognized: "The defeat of the French army had consequences for America as well...the French defeat denied Napoleon III the opportunity to resupply the Confederate rebels for another year."[25]

Donald W. Miles adds, "At the time, there were fears in the United States that the French would use Mexico as a base to back the Confederacy, so President Lincoln and his Secretary of State went out of their way to appear 'neutral' in the Mexican situation. They did not want to take on the French and the Confederates at the same time".[26] Dr. Miles goes on to explain that "Napoleon III had hesitated to take on the United States directly, but now the news of the Civil War changed everything". It meant that the Americans would be occupied with their conflict between North and South for some time. Upon hearing the Spaniards and the British had sailed off to grab the customs house in Veracruz to start collecting their duties, Napoleon decided he would not only send the French navy, but would also start looking for someone to place as emperor in Mexico. He would then use Mexico as a base to help the Confederates win their war against the United States. Napoleon saw this as an opportunity not to be missed.[27] Dr. Miles then concludes, "The Emperor of France ordered his generals to spend a few months taking on Mexico and then - using Mexico as a 'base' - help the Confederates win their war against the United States. What if they had succeeded? The United States would never become the significant world power it is today...the Mexicans not only took their nation back, but influenced the outcome of the U.S. Civil War."[28]

My person points out the importance of the Mexican and African Descent people who defeated the French in the battle of Pueblo in the Vera Cruz area that took place on May 5, 1862, now called Cinco de Mayo. It kept the French from aiding the Confederacy at that time.

By the time the French were able to achieve their aim of establishing a French empire in Mexico, it was in 1863, the Freedom summer of 1863, when thousands of enslaved and non-enslaved African descent people self-emancipated to be free. Thousands became Union military freedom fighters. Less than 24 month after they became freedom fighters throughout south, the north and from Canada and other countries, it was too late! Viva Cinco de Mayo!
Posted by mikrit54
Robeline
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:34 am to
Posted by RummelTiger
Texas
Member since Aug 2004
89882 posts
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:35 am to
lol...

Well, if it cam from Facebook, then it must be true.
Posted by Placebeaux
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Member since Jun 2008
51852 posts
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:35 am to
No, the French were looking to get paid in full on the money they loaned Mexico. The banks of England and Spain settled for less.
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
62450 posts
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:37 am to
So , Build the wall is still a good thing, got it.
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
66982 posts
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:40 am to
Why didn't you just whack this shite?
Posted by Amadeo
Member since Jan 2004
4821 posts
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:43 am to
Nothing more than a rogue theory advanced by Mexican historian Justo Serra in his book "Political Evolution of the Mexican People".
Posted by zmonsoon
"The LP"
Member since Nov 2007
857 posts
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:44 am to
It is true. A very important piece of our history that doesn't always seem to be taught in class. Cinco de Mayo is celebrated much more widely here in the US...but no one seems to understand why.

I love a good drinking holiday as much as the next guy but don't let the meaning of the day & of that battle get lost. And don't we love a good underdog story? Rocky, Miracle on Ice, etc. The victory at Puebla is just that.

/history rant
Posted by prplhze2000
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Member since Jan 2007
51422 posts
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:44 am to
If I'm not mistaken, Mississippi owed England alot of money in bonds.
Posted by Gleaux93
Member since Nov 2015
645 posts
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:50 am to
Yes the Mexicans are why you can't enslave the blacks.

Moron.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
21909 posts
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:57 am to
-Build the wall
-Secede again
-Ask France for help
-?????
-Profit?
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 5/6/17 at 1:04 pm to
Yeah old news.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
51422 posts
Posted on 5/6/17 at 3:58 pm to
Kind of like Independence Day became the Fourth of July?
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