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re: Should we invest into tesla?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:13 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:13 am to Darth_Vader
Today as prices are high for the average person but in theory if you're a man of means you can buy the new Tesla solar roof which looks incredible BTW for around $106,000 for my house, yes I got a quote, and then charge your tesla using your homes roof collecting energy from the sun. Is that feasible? No its not today, but remember when plasma tv's were $10k for a 60 inch and now they're $500? Technology always dips, of course we're never all gonna be on solar but its pretty remarkable that tesla just passed 4 billion miles logged in their cars, how many gallons of gas were saved there?
How many gallons are they saving kauai annually with their new wind farm?
Im in the gas business and I can see the benefits, but obviously the costs aren't feasible for the mass market today to add a $100k roof + a $100k car to save the planet. Plus I live in a state, Texas, thats still a tad backwards where I have solar panels but I can only have enough to cut 80% of my bill but due to regulations, 20% of my energy must still come from the grid so I could never be totally off the grid. Either way the panels from the same company, solar city, were much cheaper than the roof, but the roof looks so good that I would consider doing it if i hadn't just installed solar a year ago.
Also a large misconception is battery life, the p100d, a buddy of mine has one it can do about 500 miles on a charge bc of how the battery actually charges at low speeds driving around the city
How many gallons are they saving kauai annually with their new wind farm?
Im in the gas business and I can see the benefits, but obviously the costs aren't feasible for the mass market today to add a $100k roof + a $100k car to save the planet. Plus I live in a state, Texas, thats still a tad backwards where I have solar panels but I can only have enough to cut 80% of my bill but due to regulations, 20% of my energy must still come from the grid so I could never be totally off the grid. Either way the panels from the same company, solar city, were much cheaper than the roof, but the roof looks so good that I would consider doing it if i hadn't just installed solar a year ago.
Also a large misconception is battery life, the p100d, a buddy of mine has one it can do about 500 miles on a charge bc of how the battery actually charges at low speeds driving around the city
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 11:18 am
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:18 am to Tiger Prawn
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Yes, but recharging a Tesla battery is a lot cheaper than filling a gas tank. An acquaintance got a Tesla a few months ago. Said he gets about 260-270 miles from a full charge and from what the Tesla people told him, its about $5-7 worth of electricity to recharge from empty. 40-50 miles per $1 of juice is pretty good.
My employer has 44 charging stations (we have about 4500 employees on site). You pay $85 per year to use them to charge your car while you are working. I built my house with an extra 220 outlet in the garage in case I wanted to add a car charging station in the future.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:18 am to dabigfella
How much of the Tesla is made of plastic parts?
How much of the Tesla is made from either steel or aluminum?
How do Teslas get from the factory to the dealership?
How much of the Tesla is made from either steel or aluminum?
How do Teslas get from the factory to the dealership?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:24 am to Darth_Vader
you're absolutely right, but we're still so early in the game we don't know what the future holds, you have to remember they've only been around 10-12 years or so while oil and big auto have been around 100+ years. The excitement the brand creates is nothing to discount, like I said their balance sheet is horrendous, but that was my early bearish view on the company without really looking into how they're doing things differently and why they may in fact be able to dominate the auto industry and potentially the energy industry one day.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:26 am to fareplay
The car itself is an unbelievable piece of futuristic machinery. And I can't imagine Musk and his businesses go under anytime soon.
What gets me is the cost analysis, and adding all the fueling and recharging stations and shite as well as the fact that this is America and we have a long tradition of fricking new technology and products into the ground for the sake of a lobbyists firm for a threatened company
What gets me is the cost analysis, and adding all the fueling and recharging stations and shite as well as the fact that this is America and we have a long tradition of fricking new technology and products into the ground for the sake of a lobbyists firm for a threatened company
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 11:28 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:30 am to Breesus
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The car itself is an unbelievable piece of futuristic machinery. And I can't imagine Musk and his businesses go under anytime soon.
What gets me is the cost analysis, and adding all the fueling and recharging stations and shite.
the thing is while I agree with you, the financials are downright atrocious but I commend them on trying to do it all with as little dilution as possible, the $1.3B they raised last week as executed at the highest price possible $262/share and only for a small portion, the rest came from convertible bonds,
The part that scares me is read how leveraged Elon himself is, he could get a margin call one day and send the stock spiraling. I love his enthusiasm but he's as leveraged as a human being should ever be to one company but I respect that so much bc it means he's hell bent on making it work.
The rumors recently were they needed more money than they got but they couldn't get that much, I really don't know, but I expect dilution c the capex needed is so big, but musk just seems to miss every deadline and he's said before that they dont need capital, that kinda stuff just irks me but I still believe in him
Kinda interesting Nikolai Tesla had all these amazing ideas and died broke and penniless and if Elon fails here he will be the same bc of how tied to Tesla he is now.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:32 am to dabigfella
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Kinda interesting Nikolai Tesla had all these amazing ideas and died broke and penniless and if Elon fails here he will be the same bc of how tied to Tesla he
As is said:
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What gets me is the cost analysis, and adding all the fueling and recharging stations and shite as well as the fact that this is America and we have a long tradition of fricking new technology and products into the ground for the sake of a lobbyists firm for a threatened company
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:33 am to dabigfella
Oh, I'm sure Tesla-like tech will advance and electric cars will grow in popularity. But even if there's not a gas burner left on the roads, we'll still need oil.
Think of it this way, how important are aircraft, ships, and hydraulic machinery to civilization now? How many products now contain plastics? How many products still require things like lube oils and greases. All these things, and many, many more, require oil. The use of oil based fuels to power internal combustion engines is only one of the uses of oil.
Think of it this way, how important are aircraft, ships, and hydraulic machinery to civilization now? How many products now contain plastics? How many products still require things like lube oils and greases. All these things, and many, many more, require oil. The use of oil based fuels to power internal combustion engines is only one of the uses of oil.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:35 am to Darth_Vader
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How many products now contain plastics? How many products still require things like lube oils and greases. All these things, and many, many more, require oil.
Simple solution: hemp
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:37 am to fareplay
Remember...if you are investing into Tesla...you aren't just investing into the car manufacturing. You are also investing in the battery production part of the new gigafactory in conjunction with Panasonic.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:40 am to Breesus
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Simple solution: hemp
You think we can have things like Hemp laptops, phones, TVs? Like we'll be living in a world similar to Gillian's Island but instead of using coconuts we use hemp to make everything?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:40 am to fareplay
Had my S60D for about 6 months now
Its the best car Ive ever had by a long way. Its like getting into a rocket every morning to go to work. I still enjoy every minute of driving in a way I never had before.
The fact I can kiss goodbye to gas stations and oil changes is icing on the cake.
BTW, I put a tesla wall charger in my garage (~500$, plus couple hundred for an electrician to run a line). A regular NEMA 14-50 will also work (although about 50% slower charge).
Its the best car Ive ever had by a long way. Its like getting into a rocket every morning to go to work. I still enjoy every minute of driving in a way I never had before.
The fact I can kiss goodbye to gas stations and oil changes is icing on the cake.
BTW, I put a tesla wall charger in my garage (~500$, plus couple hundred for an electrician to run a line). A regular NEMA 14-50 will also work (although about 50% slower charge).
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 11:42 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:40 am to Darth_Vader
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You think we can have things like Hemp laptops, phones, TVs
You can make plastic from hemp oil
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:42 am to Darth_Vader
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How much of the Tesla is made of plastic parts?
How much of the Tesla is made from either steel or aluminum?
How do Teslas get from the factory to the dealership?
Electric cars don't have to completely replace ICEs to be profitable.
When Henry Ford built his first cars, where did his parts come from...how were they forged, and how did they get there. Just because gasoline powered cars became the standard, we still use coal. There will always be a need/demand for oil. It will just be used in a different part of the energy generation cycle for these vehicles.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:47 am to Darth_Vader
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But even if there's not a gas burner left on the roads, we'll still need oil.
Trying to figure out who made the argument that we wouldn't. The reliance levels would be incredibly reduced
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How do Teslas get from the factory to the dealership?
That's in the works too at Tesla.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 11:51 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:07 pm to TigerBait1127
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How do Teslas get from the factory to the dealership?
Honestly, I would assume they drive themselves there before too long
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:15 pm to fareplay
I put my deposit down for the Model 3. I'm completely sold. It's not just saving on gas, it's that these are badass cars that feel like you're driving a spaceship. If all I concerned about was financial sense I'd get a Honda Civic.
That said, you're saving more than gas. You're also saving your time. With a range of 215+ miles, I never have to worry about refueling/re-charging. You wake up every day to a fully charged car. Also, consider maintenance... or lack thereof. There's no engine and something like only 22 moving parts, so kiss most of your maintenance needs/costs goodbye. And if we're talking about no engine, let's talk about safety. You don't have to worry about getting an engine in your lap after a crash. Not to mention these things are solidly built and one of the safest cars around.
Did I mention they're fun AF to drive? It's unlike anything you've been in before. I can't wait for my Model 3; in the meantime I'm stocking up on Tesla stock because the product is far superior to anything else being offered and it will be at an affordable price.
That said, you're saving more than gas. You're also saving your time. With a range of 215+ miles, I never have to worry about refueling/re-charging. You wake up every day to a fully charged car. Also, consider maintenance... or lack thereof. There's no engine and something like only 22 moving parts, so kiss most of your maintenance needs/costs goodbye. And if we're talking about no engine, let's talk about safety. You don't have to worry about getting an engine in your lap after a crash. Not to mention these things are solidly built and one of the safest cars around.
Did I mention they're fun AF to drive? It's unlike anything you've been in before. I can't wait for my Model 3; in the meantime I'm stocking up on Tesla stock because the product is far superior to anything else being offered and it will be at an affordable price.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:16 pm to Cold Drink
i can drink that koolaid
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:29 pm to fareplay
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I am sure there was civilization before oil and I am sure there will be one without it
I am sure it existed long before you or I did and will not exist again till you and I are long gone. So for the time being, lets just stick to good ole reliable oil.
And if YOU want to invest in Tesla, get after it. But WE don't need to invest in anything.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:55 pm to fareplay
NOOOOOOO!
Battery technology has not yet advanced far enough to make electric cars work from an engineering or efficiency standpoint
Ask your Tesla sales rep :
How long will this batter pack last?
How much will it cost to replace?
What happens to the old battery pack?
And finally,
How much will my electric bill at home be impacted by charging this vehicle.!!!?
Gonna be great when the engineering actually works but not yet.
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