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Should the Entente have invaded Germany at end of WWI?
Posted on 3/23/17 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 3/23/17 at 6:33 pm
The war ended with no foreign troops on German soil. Should Entente have kept on going and invaded Germany to show that they had really lost?
It would have killed the backstab theory and Germans would've seen that they really lost.
It would have killed the backstab theory and Germans would've seen that they really lost.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 6:40 pm to prplhze2000
Still wouldn't prevent WWII.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 6:45 pm to prplhze2000
Everyone was worn to the bone, besides the US. It would have been an unnecessary loss of life. German defenses would have made it tough. No doubt the Entente could have achieved it with US backing, but at what cost? Don't think twice that the Germans wouldn't defend their country land with a furry. They still had excellent leadership and probably would have retreated to bolster their lines. WWI is a very overlooked part of history but still fascinating as we deal with its effects to this day.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 6:51 pm to Titus Pullo
Fire up the WikiPaster signal.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 6:55 pm to prplhze2000
The enormous economic depression caused WWII more so than the Germany was stabbed in the back narrative.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 6:55 pm to prplhze2000
Questions like this and whether the US should have fought the USSR like Patton wanted completely overlook the fact that the troops generally want to go home before getting killed.
As an example, after WW2 many of the troops in Germany were told they were getting shipped off to the Pacific. They were not happy to hear this.
As an example, after WW2 many of the troops in Germany were told they were getting shipped off to the Pacific. They were not happy to hear this.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 7:19 pm to prplhze2000
French Army probably mutinys again if they do that
Posted on 3/23/17 at 7:58 pm to Junky
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Everyone was worn to the bone
Pretty much this.
Germany could have killed hundreds of thousands more soldiers on the march to Berlin.
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:00 pm to prplhze2000
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It would have killed the backstab theory and Germans would've seen that they really lost
What is this "backstab" theory? They Germany got fricked by the Treaty of Versailles? They absolutely did get fricked by that treaty.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:14 pm to LoveThatMoney
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What is this "backstab" theory? They Germany got fricked by the Treaty of Versailles? They absolutely did get fricked by that treaty.
No, the backstab story is that the German military was not defeated, at least not defeated such that Germany should have capitulated and allowed the Allied powers to dictate terms to Germany as they did in Paris in June of 1919.
The backstab story has many facets, the most significant of which is that the socialist and Marxist (and Jewish) elements in German politics undermined Germany's nationalist government in order to come to power. They forced the Kaiser to abdicate and deliberately induced strikes and defeatism on the homefront, undermining morale and the efforts of soldiers at the front.
The belief is that Germany could have resisted the Allies to secure an armistice on much more even terms but for dishonorable and self-serving political cliques behind the lines.
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:15 pm to prplhze2000
what was the intente of the entente
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:21 pm to LoveThatMoney
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What is this "backstab" theory?
That the civilian leadership stabbed the military in the back. Hitler played upon this sentiment, while he got public support to build up a massive military machine that he could then stab in the back (again).
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:23 pm to LoveThatMoney
To the OP:
How would the backstab theory have no basis for belief if the Entente rejected Germany's request for an Armistice and battled all the way into Berlin? And then occupied the entire country of Germany instead of just the Rhineland and other western German provinces?
How would the backstab theory have no basis for belief if the Entente rejected Germany's request for an Armistice and battled all the way into Berlin? And then occupied the entire country of Germany instead of just the Rhineland and other western German provinces?
This post was edited on 3/23/17 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:27 pm to prplhze2000
Just watched "Night will fall" on Netflix last night...
frick Germany...those people are some sick motherfrickers...
frick Germany...those people are some sick motherfrickers...
Posted on 3/23/17 at 9:31 pm to prplhze2000
You're looking at it from the "now" perspective. You have to imagine the scenario you propose at that moment in history. You're asking, should the Entente, when Germany offered what was effectively an unconditional surrender, turned it down and continued to fight? What would they have kept fighting for? For Germany to surrender even more abjectly than what they had already offered to do? That would have been impossible. The Allied leadership would have been asking thousands, if not millions, more men to die in order to gain something they already had for the taking. There would have been riots and revolutions had they tried that. And if they were concerned about future German revanche, which would have seemed more likely at the time: that Germany would seek revenge for the war the way it ended historically, or that Germany would seek revenge for a war brought into her homeland after she had offered to surrender unconditionally?
Posted on 3/23/17 at 10:55 pm to Ace Midnight
THe backstab theory was started by Ludendorff and Hindenburg.
They had totally screwed up with their management of the country and running the war on the Western front. Their 1918 offensives got their best troops killed and resulted in massive mutinies and riots.
The German people had no clue at all until the very end that they lost. THink of Japan until we started bombing the main islands. They thought they had won major battles. They were on French soil and had knocked Russia out of the war and won in the east. Suddenly they are told they lost, the army is melting away, and they have to surrender immediately.
Of course, this begs the next question. Given the massive food riots and mutinies taken place. how hard would they have fought an invasion by the allies?
They had totally screwed up with their management of the country and running the war on the Western front. Their 1918 offensives got their best troops killed and resulted in massive mutinies and riots.
The German people had no clue at all until the very end that they lost. THink of Japan until we started bombing the main islands. They thought they had won major battles. They were on French soil and had knocked Russia out of the war and won in the east. Suddenly they are told they lost, the army is melting away, and they have to surrender immediately.
Of course, this begs the next question. Given the massive food riots and mutinies taken place. how hard would they have fought an invasion by the allies?
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