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re: Should Police Be "Licensed" and Required to have "Malpractice" Insurance?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:13 pm to undecided
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:13 pm to undecided
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It provides them support against false accusations and other unwarranted threats.
Insurance helps with this? Body cameras, maybe. But how does insurance help this?
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:19 pm to LT
Provides representation and covers settlements or damages as warranted
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:19 pm to undecided
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You should always carry extra is what I've been told. Company malpractice protects the company and you as a representative but an individual can name you separately and you are held personally responsible. I could be saying it wrong maybe someone could clarify
You are wrong about law enforcement officers. They may be sued in a civil court in this state.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:23 pm to undecided
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Also, like in most licensed profession repeated instances of misconduct should result in progressive discipline and eventual disbarment from the profession
You think a cop's a professional?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:26 pm to jbgleason
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Teachers don't carry malpractice or any other insurance.
I do, $3 million worth. Costs $100 per year as part of my professional membership dues.
ETA: And I can't even cuss at people or carry a gun.
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 9:29 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:27 pm to TigerGman
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You think a cop's a professional?
Are you a dullard?
I don't see where he used the word professional anywhere in his post. Cops are also professionals but before you explore that you should probably improve your remedial reading comprehension. Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:29 pm to DanTiger
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You are wrong about law enforcement officers. They may be sued in a civil court in this state.
Has this ever happened? Do the police unions provide representation in the civil trial?
What I'm thinking of is a governing body separate from the existing system. As noted earlier it would require a complete system overhaul and is unlikely to ever actually happen.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:37 pm to fightin tigers
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Usually the hospital covers nurses, some carry extra.
I work in the ER, I definitely carry extra. However, it is supplementary to the coverage the hospital provides, and is cheap and easy to obtain.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:38 pm to undecided
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Has this ever happened? Do the police unions provide representation in the civil trial?
It happens very frequently. Not all police have unions. Generally only some municipalities have unions so I don't really know.
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What I'm thinking of is a governing body separate from the existing system. As noted earlier it would require a complete system overhaul and is unlikely to ever actually happen.
Any additional growth of government would add cost and that includes a governing body.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 9:52 pm to DanTiger
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Are you a dullard? I don't see where he used the word professional anywhere in his post. Cops are also professionals
You're right, he didn't use the word Professional, not even once. He only used the word profession three times:
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Also, like in most licensed profession repeated instances of misconduct should result in progressive discipline and eventual disbarment from the profession
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Cops are also professionals
I guess since you have a G.E.D. like all most cops need, you think that makes you a professional too. Hey, my exterminator has a G.E.D. and got a 6 week training certificate, that makes him a professional too. Or maybe you are a Cop. That would explain it.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:02 pm to TigerGman
Maybe this is a topic worth debate. Shouldn't we hold a position in which an individual puts their life on the line and also impacts the life of others to a high standard. They should have to carry themselves as professional representatives of the city/state/gov and not be as insulated as they currently are
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:05 pm to DanTiger
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I'd think it'd be cheaper then trying to increase each po po's pay to cover individual policies. I'm just talking from a dollars and cents stand point. I would think a municipality would be able to negotiate a much better rate to cover the entire pool of po pos.
This is LT's post from the previous page. You both seem to be saying the same thing. Whatever savings to be had will be lost in the cost of implementation and maintenance
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:06 pm to TigerGman
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I guess since you have a G.E.D. like all most cops need, you think that makes you a professional too.
Most cops I know were in the military. They served their country over seas then came back here and took a job that translated from past experience. Why do you have such hate and scorn for people who served in Kuwait, Iraq, and Afghanistan?
frickin comuniss
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:10 pm to undecided
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Maybe this is a topic worth debate. Shouldn't we hold a position in which an individual puts their life on the line and also impacts the life of others to a high standard. They should have to carry themselves as professional representatives of the city/state/gov and not be as insulated as they currently are
Well, that is a good topic, even a "dullard" like me can see it.
For one thing you're going to have to require some college, 2 years at a minimum in Criminal justice or whatever. Then you're going to have to increase pay--significantly. And no one wants to pay for jack these days.
It's a really stressful hard job. It's not for everybody and the pool of candidates willing to go through all that for shitty pay is going to be small.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:14 pm to LT
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frickin comuniss
Is that where they trained to shoot the family dog, or taser a 7 or an 89 year old?
I'm not knocking anyone that serves this country, but part of the problem we're seeing today is far too many cops bring shoot first ask questions later type militaristic training to a non military job.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:18 pm to TigerGman
Yeah I was being silly...
I saw where you said because one police department somewhere in the country accepts geds then all cops max out with geds, education-wise.
So I turned it into if a few cops were in the military, and you think their all dumb GED having yokels, you hate all military people.
Now that all the flame throwing is done, we can get back to a civil chat.
I saw where you said because one police department somewhere in the country accepts geds then all cops max out with geds, education-wise.
So I turned it into if a few cops were in the military, and you think their all dumb GED having yokels, you hate all military people.
Now that all the flame throwing is done, we can get back to a civil chat.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:21 pm to TigerGman
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It's a really stressful hard job. It's not for everybody and the pool of candidates willing to go through all that for shitty pay is going to be small.
What seems to happen here is that guys retire from Birmingham, are still relatively young (late 40's/early 50's) and grab a job in the suburbs. If we focus on our larger urban areas we increase the quality throughout at least on a local level
This could be done by maybe having some type of recruitment/partnership with local high school that feeds kids into a 2 year JuCo program before allowing them on the force. They get some life experience but also classroom education on law enforcement. It also connects the community to the police force as this is now their sons, neighbors, ect charged with protecting them
I will now ride my unicorn into a beautiful field of daises and ponder my marvelous existence
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 10:28 pm to LT
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Now that all the flame throwing is done, we can get back to a civil chat.
It's all good. Like most people I suspect, I got real mixed emotions about Cops. Thing is, it seems like every year it's getting harder and harder to respect them because they are getting too militarized.
That's a course we all need to try to reverse.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 11:34 pm to undecided
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This could be done by maybe having some type of recruitment/partnership with local high school that feeds kids into a 2 year JuCo program before allowing them on the force. They get some life experience but also classroom education on law enforcement. It also connects the community to the police force as this is now their sons, neighbors, ect charged with protecting them
If you want more mature cops you need to recruit older officers with more life experience and veterans. I think that there is a misconception here that most cops take the job because they have no other options. This is not true, for the most part, in my experience. Most take the job because they don't want to be tied to a desk and because they like the variety of calls and the excitement. At least half of the guys I work with have undergrad degrees and several, like myself, have graduate degrees like myself. I don't do this job for the money as I earned my money in the private sector. I do it to work within the community in which I live and because I enjoy it. I also do have supplemental insurance to cover my personal assets but most cops don't have umbrella policies because they don't have the funds to necessitate one or the means to obtain one.
Posted on 10/7/14 at 7:22 am to undecided
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How did this even happen? There's usually some guy who counts every paperclip in most departments. No one said, "hey dude save some for everyone else"
They're probably confusing "overtime" with "extra duty." Caroline Moses at WAFB got called out on this a few year ago.
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