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Should Convicted Domestic Abusers Have *Legal Access to Guns?
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:00 pm
The officer killed over the weekend was responding to a DV call after being contacted by the wife. The wife was killed prior to the police arriving and he shot 2 other officers. On the heels of this occurring, Clarence Thomas ask his 1st question during oral arguments in 10 years to defend the gun rights of domestic abusers?
Is it not reasonable to say that people with a history of domestic violence should not be allowed to have legal access to guns?
Is it not reasonable to say that people with a history of domestic violence should not be allowed to have legal access to guns?
This post was edited on 2/29/16 at 4:06 pm
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Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:01 pm to undecided
Hell no
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:02 pm to undecided
I say keep our domestic abusers at home because it's safer than abusing in public
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:02 pm to undecided
probably not but wouldn't they just use a knife instead?
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:02 pm to undecided
Fuzzy area is fuzzy.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:03 pm to undecided
I thought people with DV's on their record couldn't buy a gun anyway.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:03 pm to undecided
Rephrase your question and you will have your answer, try it like this.
Should a person who,has previously displayed an inability to control their violent impulses be allowed to have access to firearms?
Should a person who,has previously displayed an inability to control their violent impulses be allowed to have access to firearms?
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:03 pm to undecided
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Convited
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Acess
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:03 pm to undecided
If they really wanted a gun what's stopping them from going to the hood and buying one out of Tyquell's trunk?
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:07 pm to fr33manator
Do you really think it's that easy? I know you're going to say "yes," but it's not.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:07 pm to Topwater Trout
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probably not but wouldn't they just use a knife instead?
some would but IMO it likely takes a hell of a lot more anger to stab a person to death than it does to pull a trigger.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:08 pm to undecided
What about "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand, you authoritarian dickhead? Why do you hate the Second Amendment and therefore America?
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:08 pm to undecided
Thomas' question was, in effect, "Do any other crimes suspend Constitutional rights?"
Domestic Violence sounds scary, but it's still typically a Misdemeanor Assault offense. Should a Constitutionally guaranteed right be stripped because of that?
Should it be stripped for any other Misdemeanor Assault charge? It assaulting your spouse any worse than assaulting any other person? Think logically, think hate-crime laws.
I say it's a Constitutional right. They should still legally be allowed to possess firearms.
Domestic Violence sounds scary, but it's still typically a Misdemeanor Assault offense. Should a Constitutionally guaranteed right be stripped because of that?
Should it be stripped for any other Misdemeanor Assault charge? It assaulting your spouse any worse than assaulting any other person? Think logically, think hate-crime laws.
I say it's a Constitutional right. They should still legally be allowed to possess firearms.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:10 pm to kilo1234
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Thomas' question was, in effect, "Do any other crimes suspend Constitutional rights?"
Domestic Violence sounds scary, but it's still typically a Misdemeanor Assault offense. Should a Constitutionally guaranteed right be stripped because of that?
Should it be stripped for any other Misdemeanor Assault charge? It assaulting your spouse any worse than assaulting any other person? Think logically, think hate-crime laws.
I say it's a Constitutional right. They should still legally be allowed to possess firearms.
Also, think about what constitutes "assault." You push (not punch) your wife and she says "Ouch"...you just committed an assault...Domestic Assault. As of now, you can lose a Constitutional right for pushing your spouse.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:11 pm to undecided
It's being challenged in the Supreme Court and has been challenged twice in the past according to Wikipedia.
From today's oral arguments NPR
From today's oral arguments NPR
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Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas drew gasps on Monday when he asked several questions during oral arguments.
Thomas, who hadn't asked a question since Feb. 22, 2006, broke 10 years of near silence during a case, Voisine v. U.S., involving a federal law preventing people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence from owning firearms.
The justices were hearing appeals from two Maine men who say their guilty pleas for hitting their partners should not disqualify them from gun ownership. The hourlong session was coming to a close when Thomas leaned forward and spoke into the microphone to ask Justice Department lawyer Ilana Eisenstein whether a misdemeanor conviction of any other law "suspends a constitutional right," The Associated Press reports.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:11 pm to undecided
There are a HELL of a lot more issues involved with the two cases before SCOTUS right now than just what you are stating here.
Justice Thomas specifically asked if there were any other MISDEMEANORS for which a citizen can lose a constitutional right. Damn good question.
There is also severe issues with the way the law was written. You can have an instance in which you don't do squat to a domestic partner but they make allegations when the police arrive. You aren't taken into custody but issued a summons (like a traffic ticket) and subsequently told that if you plead Nolo Contendre the DA will wipe the arrest and conviction from your record in six months. Sounds like a good deal? Your dime store lawyer says "take the deal and write me a check." You don't find out until later that you just signed away your gun rights for life. No appeal. No going back.
Justice Thomas specifically asked if there were any other MISDEMEANORS for which a citizen can lose a constitutional right. Damn good question.
There is also severe issues with the way the law was written. You can have an instance in which you don't do squat to a domestic partner but they make allegations when the police arrive. You aren't taken into custody but issued a summons (like a traffic ticket) and subsequently told that if you plead Nolo Contendre the DA will wipe the arrest and conviction from your record in six months. Sounds like a good deal? Your dime store lawyer says "take the deal and write me a check." You don't find out until later that you just signed away your gun rights for life. No appeal. No going back.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:11 pm to undecided
No, and the rules are on the books. A lot of these charges are statutorily expunged after so many years, so if you want a gun then go a decade without incident. Seems fair to me.
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:11 pm to Dr RC
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it likely takes a hell of a lot more anger to stab a person to death than it does to pull a trigger.
probably so. I can't imagine getting stabbed to death
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:12 pm to undecided
Another slippery slope
Posted on 2/29/16 at 4:13 pm to kilo1234
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Also, think about what constitutes "assault." You push (not punch) your wife and she says "Ouch"...you just committed an assault...Domestic Assault. As of now, you can lose a Constitutional right for pushing your spouse.
DV also can be getting in a fight with your roommate.
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