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Posted on 1/6/15 at 9:53 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Here's another article on it:
LINK
It makes the argument based on #'s that life exists in the Milky Way:
And this should have little to no impact on religion at all. It doesn't prove/disprove intelligent design.
The WSJ author was just completely wrong on that entire portion of the paper. Odds hurt his argument, and he tries to claim that it supports it.
LINK
It makes the argument based on #'s that life exists in the Milky Way:
quote:
An international team of astronomers have reached the most definitive conclusion, one with profound implications: our galaxy contains a minimum of 100 billion planets. Of those, most are small planets like ours. Statistically, every star would have at least one planet.
This means that the chances of life and habitable planets in our galaxy alone is overwhelmingly high. So high that it's impossible to deny that it's out there.
And this should have little to no impact on religion at all. It doesn't prove/disprove intelligent design.
The WSJ author was just completely wrong on that entire portion of the paper. Odds hurt his argument, and he tries to claim that it supports it.
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:02 pm to Thib-a-doe Tiger
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Fred Hoyle, the astronomer who coined the term “big bang,” said that his atheism was “greatly shaken” at these developments. He later wrote that “a common-sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super-intellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as with chemistry and biology . . . . The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.”
You do understand when he coined the term it was believed by many it was in a derisive tone. Hoyle never believed in the Big Bang and said science only cam up with it because they needed something to rival the book of Genesis. Hoyle came up with a competing theory of "Steady-State" where he postulated the universe was not expanding but holding steady. This theory was eventually disproved. He was basically a christian looking to criticize any science that questioned the existence of God.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:13 pm to TigerBait1127
It seems pretty obvious you didn't read it, since he definitely accounts for the scale/size of the universe as the default, classic argument in favor of intelligent life.
The idea that there are only a few limiting factors for a planet to support life has been turned on its head over the years, as the list from has grown exponentially from what Sagan claimed a few decades ago.
Let's also remember that the concept of time varies across the universe. It took nearly 4 billion earth years for our solar system to form and several hundred million years for earth to be able to develop and sustain the conditions for algae to evolve into intelligent human beings to frick off on TD.
The idea that there are only a few limiting factors for a planet to support life has been turned on its head over the years, as the list from has grown exponentially from what Sagan claimed a few decades ago.
Let's also remember that the concept of time varies across the universe. It took nearly 4 billion earth years for our solar system to form and several hundred million years for earth to be able to develop and sustain the conditions for algae to evolve into intelligent human beings to frick off on TD.
Posted on 1/6/15 at 10:24 pm to Lou Pai
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It seems pretty obvious you didn't read it, since he definitely accounts for the scale/size of the universe as the default, classic argument in favor of intelligent life.
It seems pretty obvious that you didn't read my post. I said that he doesn't understand odds at all.
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As factors continued to be discovered, the number of possible planets hit zero, and kept going. In other words, the odds turned against any planet in the universe supporting life, including this one. Probability said that even we shouldn’t be here.
This is so far from being true.
And if he does understand it, he's being intentionally misleading.
This post was edited on 1/6/15 at 10:28 pm
Posted on 1/7/15 at 3:05 am to Thib-a-doe Tiger
Who created the creator?
Posted on 1/7/15 at 3:10 am to Farkwad
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I know several atheists and not one isn't a depressed, paranoid, arrogant douchebag.
Me too. I suppose this proves the saying "ignorance is bliss" really is true. Don't you think?
Posted on 1/7/15 at 11:36 am to TigerBait1127
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As factors continued to be discovered, the number of possible planets hit zero, and kept going. In other words, the odds turned against any planet in the universe supporting life, including this one. Probability said that even we shouldn’t be here.
I'd just like to point out, since no one else noted this that even if this idiot understood statistics and was correct that the odds of a planet in the universe supporting life was LESS than zero, he has a problem.
Namely that he is missing that those odds would apply to OUR PLANET TOO!
In other words, the odd of Earth even having life would also have had to have been less than zero. And yet, here we are.
So, he wants to simultaneously argue that the long odds of any other planets with life existing = creator and yet the fact Earth actually DOES exist doesn't seem to imply that there would be any elsewhere.
I mean, does the Bible or any other religious text even IMPLY anywhere that if God created life here, he ONLY created it here?
NOPE
In any case,the primary problem with this stupid column is he cites one guy as if he's just some random physicist who may have changed his mind when in fact, that guy has ALWAYS been a creationist and he quotes another guy obliquely in a way that implies he's on board with the creator thing even though a cursory Google search will show you that the man thinks no such thing.
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