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runners knee with update mri results 12/11

Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:51 am
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11648 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:51 am
Knee has been killing me for about a week. Started about a day after spinning class - didn't notice anything after class. Did severe petalla tendon about 4 years ago.
Has anyone ever experienced runners knee syndrome? Have a Ortho app Dec 1.

update and I need some opinions.

mri was completed, results Meniscal tears, will need to scope per Ortho.
I was taking Indomethacin (anti-inflame) up until about a week ago. Pain and numbness has subsided. The Ortho was kind of surprised. I've been taking it easy since the "injury" - couldn't really tell when it happened just a few days after it started pain, swelling and numbness etc.
Is this common with Meniscal tears to have pain and numbness subside? - I have really been resting it no running, spinning, weights etc.
Ortho suggested that I try some activities and see how it feels.
My questions:
get a second opinion?
should I try activities and see how it goes? if nothing happens with pain and then it slowly starts back then I could have end up with the surgery in the spring.
go ahead and have the scope done and take it from there?

Another thing knee doesn't pop like it used to when extended.
Doing it over the Holidays would be idealb/c things have slowed down and I can rest the knee and get back to normal once the new years starts.
fyi/51y/o, active lifestyle.
This post was edited on 12/11/14 at 5:51 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98138 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 9:53 am to
Yeah, about all you can do is rest.
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53732 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:08 am to
To prevent PFPS, run on softer surfaces, keep mileage increases less than 10 percent per week, and gradually increase hill work in your program. Visit a specialty running shop to make sure you're wearing the proper shoes for your foot type and gait. Also, strengthening your quadriceps will improve patellar tracking, and stretching your hamstrings and calves will prevent overpronation.

At the first sign of pain, cut back your mileage. The sooner you lessen the knee's workload, the faster healing begins. Avoid knee-bending activities, canted surfaces, and downward stairs and slopes until the pain subsides. As you rebuild mileage, use a smaller stride on hills. Consider orthotics if new shoes don't fix the problem. See a doctor if the pain persists, to rule out another condition.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 10:09 am
Posted by Future_FlexZone
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2013
284 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:35 am to
quote:

Visit a specialty running shop to make sure you're wearing the proper shoes for your foot type and gait.


Don't do this... it's a scam. Actually, buy a good book called "Ready to Run" and learn to run on flat shoes with little/no cushion, and you won't grind your knee into a replacement.

Personally I had IT Band issues when I was in the "motion controlled" crap they sold me, and I returned it for a more neutral shoe and have made it up to 13 miles at a time since then. My IT was flaring after only 2-3 miles in those mash mellow shoes.

Also, lose weight and add some leg strengthening exercises, once the pain is gone. Don't get a shot, and don't take ibuprofen.
Posted by Yammie250F
Member since Jul 2010
904 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:46 am to
I had an ortho tell me to just pop an advil before your run. I had just started and he said it was normal and will go away with time. He said you don't have to stop running just limit the distance you are going to do.

ETA: This is assuming there is no other underlining issue with your knees.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 10:48 am
Posted by TheZaba
FL
Member since Oct 2008
6181 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 10:51 am to
quote:

Actually, buy a good book called "Ready to Run" and learn to run on flat shoes with little/no cushion, and you won't grind your knee into a replacement.
Please, don't blindly do this. Not everyone can just go out and run like this
Posted by Kirk Herbstreit
in the outhouse
Member since Jan 2005
5816 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 11:03 am to
Everybody will have different opinions because everybody is different. Rest is best. Remember the acronym R.I.C.E. - Rest, Ice, Compress, Elevate. However if you are like me and don't want to rest, here is what worked for me. I went shopping for some new shoes and ended getting softer soled shoes with more cushion. The complete opposite of the kind the guy recommended at the running store. I went with what felt better and haven't looked back. Then I started adding hills to my runs, which built up my calves and took a load off of my knees. Pay attention to your stride because changing this may help as well. I temporarily cut down my distance and slowed my pace until I my knee started feeling better and only then started to slowly build my distance and speed back up. On my longer distance days after my run I would immediately get into an ice bath for about 10-15 minutes and then take a hot shower. Remember that everybody is different so you will just have to find what works for you. Hope this helps.
Posted by bbeck
Member since Dec 2011
14557 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 11:16 am to
quote:

Actually, buy a good book called "Ready to Run" and learn to run on flat shoes with little/no cushion, and you won't grind your knee into a replacement.

Wut
Posted by HurricaneDunc
Houston
Member since Nov 2008
10472 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 11:48 am to
Could just be a tight IT band
Posted by PTBob
Member since Nov 2010
7070 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 11:52 am to
quote:

Actually, buy a good book called "Ready to Run" and learn to run on flat shoes with little/no cushion, and you won't grind your knee into a replacement.


"well i read this book so i'm now an expert"

many times, some simple mcconnell taping can correct patella-femoral tracking issues.
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
12065 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:06 pm to
Ice and rest.

Use to battle various injuries the first time I trained for a marathon (knee, back, foot, etc). Got fitted with the right sort of shoes for me and haven't been injured since.

It sucks because you burn through so many shoes and get bored buying the same pair every time, but I've switched twice and little injuries start creeping up again. Asics for me.
Posted by 995webmaster
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
3780 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 12:09 pm to
quote:

Don't do this... it's a scam.


I agree with that the running shoe industry is a big fat scam, though the book to read IMO is Born to Run.

I've done around 2400 miles a year for the past 3-4 years. The only "injury" I've experienced during that time is a bout of IT Band syndrom, which I cured by stretching using a padded foam cylinder.

I wear cheap-arse shoes from Walmart, with little to no padding. I've also experimented with minimal running shoes (e.g., New Balance Minimus), but I just don't see any reason to pay for them.
Posted by Future_FlexZone
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2013
284 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

though the book to read IMO is Born to Run.


I agree with you there, but that's more of an adventure novel. Ready to Run is the "next level" by another author who wanted to follow up with 12 everyday principles to always be ready to run. Super basics like Neutral foot position (no duck walks), flat shoes (heels bad), and hydration. For someone with your milage, it would be a waste of time, but for anyone with injury, it's a good direct dive into the causes as each injury points to a problem with the runner & especially running form.
Posted by Gorilla Ball
Member since Feb 2006
11648 posts
Posted on 11/25/14 at 5:50 pm to
quote:

Could just be a tight IT band


I agree with this - if I would have heard a pop or experienced immediate pain or discomfort I could understand but this was after 1 or 2 days of spinning/running/lifting/golf.
The knee never felt 100% after surgery and now feels about 65%.
This will give me a opportunity to have a ortho look at the knee - I looked up IT band and the symptoms are very similar.


thanks for all the replies.
This post was edited on 11/25/14 at 6:21 pm
Posted by LSUfan4444
Member since Mar 2004
53732 posts
Posted on 11/26/14 at 6:38 am to
quote:

learn to run on flat shoes with little/no cushion


Yes...definitely don't visit your local running store to learn more about your foot, gait and the different types of shoes....just go "learn" the most efficient running stride out there so you can remain injury free forever

Also, don't go to college, just learn AstroPhysics then go work for NASA
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