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re: Realtor Payment -- Why is it a percentage of the home?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:07 pm to baldona
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:07 pm to baldona
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If I'm selling a $500k house, you want someone with a certain level of competence. If you cut their pay aggressively, now you're going to have any and all competent realtors seeking a new profession and you have some shitehead marketing and selling your home.
No one wants to reduce realtor pay, they want commissions determined by competition in the marketplace. Agents should set their commission at the level their ability reflects, If a person wants to take a chance with a agent that will work for 1% then that is their business, A agent should be able to charge 10% if their worth in the open market supports that price level. Currently the majority of agents and brokers are engaging in blatant price fixing, and it is long past time that the FTC break it up.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:08 pm to EA6B
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Currently the majority of agents and brokers are engaging in blatant price fixing, and it is long past time that the FTC break it up.
sounds like this could be ripe for a long term, undercover investigation by a media outlet
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
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sounds like this could be ripe for a long term, undercover investigation by a media outlet
60 minutes did it years ago, they were unable to come up with a single document for a real estate brokerage that indicated what the commission percentage was, every single agent stuck to the same story line, the commission is not fixed and is determined at the time the listing contract is agreed to. They have been playing the game a long time and have a lot of lobbyist.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:20 pm to Ben Hur
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A home is exponentially harder to sell with an increased price.
This is a myth. While your logic seems accurate, the reality is that it is in fact easier to sell a more expensive home.
Not saying faster, just easier.
Just look at your clientele looking for a 100 home vs. A million dollar home.
Much more likely the 100k group won't qualify for a loan, have no idea what they want, and are generally clueless.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:32 pm to CrazyCow202
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Any sort of sales job gives the salesman a percentage of the sale.
what does this have to do with realtors?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:42 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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When you have no valid argument you pull out exceptions to the rule. No shite, every realtor shouldn't be paid the same. We are talking about the inside of the bell curve where most transactions are very similar. You knew that, but you have no argument so you are trying to pull straws out of a hat.
There is no set fee for commissions. I've bought 4 properties in the past 2 years and they've all been different. How hard is it for you to understand? Everyone is saying the commissions are bs at 6% but I usually pay 5%, err wait I paid 5.5%, or this guy paid 4%.
So what is it? Are they set, or not?
Go out there and offer $2,000 to sell your $300k house and see who you get to answer your door. That's not worth the best realtors times to work for $1,000.
Furthermore, people forget about all the middle men in deals like the brokers, the marketing people, the receptionist, etc.
There are wealthy realtors out there, but it's not from one sale a year. It's from selling a bunch of high end homes. Those high end homes are all risky individually because they may spend $10k on marketing to put it in a magazine and then it never sells. But when you have 30 listed and sell 15 a year you make damn good money.
I really don't understand the gripe. Go sell a place FSBO with a 2.5% sellers realtor fee. That's done all day long without issues. You have no idea how much work the sellers realtor put in and it's none of your business. Or don't offer anything, and your buyer will offer under what they would of paid to cover their realtors cost.
Or, go offer a realtor 10%. Not a single one is going to turn down more money. So again, where is this price fixing?
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:52 pm to baldona
I can somewhat understand it on the buyer side. They are taking you around, showing houses, etc. there is real time involved. Much less than in the past as they set a few filters and all the properties that match your selections are automatically emailed. They used to have to spend real time looking through catalogues of houses that match your preferred criteria.
On the seller side is is a complete racquet. Aside from putting it on MLS and taking some photos they do nothing.
There is a realtor in Atlanta who is now doing $500 up front and then 1/3 OF 1% at closing and is now I believe the #1 retail sales agent in the country.
That seems much more appropriate on the sales side.
On the seller side is is a complete racquet. Aside from putting it on MLS and taking some photos they do nothing.
There is a realtor in Atlanta who is now doing $500 up front and then 1/3 OF 1% at closing and is now I believe the #1 retail sales agent in the country.
That seems much more appropriate on the sales side.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:56 pm to BPTiger
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There is a realtor in Atlanta who is now doing $500 up front and then 1/3 OF 1% at closing and is now I believe the #1 retail sales agent in the country.
That seems much more appropriate on the sales side.
basically to make this work, you have to accumulate so much volume that the other agents are forced to work with you
if you try this on a smaller scale, they'll just shut you out until you conform to their %
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:56 pm to AUCE05
The National Association of Realtors Lobby is one of the biggest ones out there, #2 with 64 million spent so good luck to Purple Bricks! I am all for disruption from my previous experiences with home buying I think they are worthless and collude with each other.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 1:59 pm to BPTiger
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There is a realtor in Atlanta who is now doing $500 up front and then 1/3 OF 1% at closing and is now I believe the #1 retail sales agent in the country.
That's why a lot of realtors will list for 1% if they were your buyers agent.
Again, it all depends on your market and your realtors efforts. I don't disagree, but that's also where realtors make their money. The guy in Atlanta does it by quantity, but he probably has a team of $10/ hour people that help him and that works because again it's Atlanta. Will it work in Valdosta? I don't know. Somewhere like Atlanta will have a lot of educated sellers. When you don't have educated sellers, that's what takes up the realtors time.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:00 pm to BabyCakes
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would not have the same realtor percentage.
They don't... y'all are misinformed. The seller can negotiate the commission %. He doesn't have to do 6%. If he thinks it'll be an easy sale, he can offer 4 or 5%
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:01 pm to baldona
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You have no idea how much work the sellers realtor put in and it's none of your business. Or don't offer anything, and your buyer will offer under what they would of paid to cover their realtors cost.
If I'm paying for a service it is definitely my business to know what work I am paying for. Like I said continue to be a sheep, and just pay because "that's how it works." You can make an argument that what the realtors get paid us fair, and while I disagree you are at least making an argument, but you are just saying everyone is ignorant and not as smart as you because we bring different ideas to the table while you bring nothing.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:02 pm to BabyCakes
Why is a tip different if you serve me a cheap hamburger or an expensive steak .... same amount of work involved
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
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a year or so ago i spent a lot of time trying to work out a much more efficient way to do FSBO, linking buyers and sellers like an Uber for real estate. i may start investing more time into that
Thanks for the intel. I've started my composition book on this idea back dating it 2 years.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:05 pm to BabyCakes
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The very fact that there is a standard price among competitors (6% or 4%) with little deviation is evidence of price fixing
It's not price fixing. It's a realtor refusing to work for a lower amount.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:05 pm to Sao
the idea is already in progress elsewhere but the real money maker was an aspect of the app i did not disclose
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:06 pm to Tigerbait337
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It's not price fixing. It's a realtor refusing to work for a lower amount.
this is true, until there is collusion not to work with agents who would work for lower
then it's a cartel and price fixing
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:06 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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If I'm paying for a service it is definitely my business to know what work I am paying for. Like I said continue to be a sheep, and just pay because "that's how it works." You can make an argument that what the realtors get paid us fair, and while I disagree you are at least making an argument, but you are just saying everyone is ignorant and not as smart as you because we bring different ideas to the table while you bring nothing.
Bs, you have brought 0 ideas except that 'realtors are overpaid and it's unfair'. I told you there is no set fee and you are arguing against set fee that doesn't even exist. I said you are ignorant in believing there are set fees and yet you haven't replied to that?
Look at all these suggestions out there on different fees. What are you even arguing? The atl guy charges 1/3 of a percent. FSBO can be done for 0%. So again, what fee are you arguing against?
Are you honestly arguing that you are upset you chose to pay 6%? Do you want me to help you choose a realtor and what percentage next time?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this is true, until there is collusion not to work with agents who would work for lower
then it's a cartel and price fixing
So when capitalism doesn't go your way it's a cartel, collusion, etc.? It's capitalism because realtors prefer to work for more money?
The only reason people are upset about a 6-8% transaction fee is because it's their home and homes are expensive. 6-8% in many industries is nothing. Used cars for example is 15-20%+. Trade a car in for $10,000 and the dealership is going to sell it for $12,000. That's an atrocity! 20% is BS! We need to lobby for dealers to start making 1%! That $10k trade in should be sold for $10,100 for a $100 profit!
Posted on 6/28/17 at 2:13 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the idea is already in progress elsewhere but the real money maker was an aspect of the app i did not disclose
make it ebay style, like an auction
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