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re: Real Housewives NJ couple Sentenced to Prison for Fraud

Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:04 am to
Posted by bctiger6
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:04 am to
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I wish this news would make my wife stop watching this horrendous show.



I feel your pain
Posted by Mung
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:10 am to
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It's laughable that we spend these resources on something like this, dishing out very real jail time, while those running financial institutions that commit the same fraud on a scale capable of bringing down the global economy pay paltry fines.


No kidding. Steal billions, get bailed out. Steal $100, go to prison.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:17 am to
two wrongs don't make a right!
Posted by meauxjeaux2
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:20 am to
why is no one talking about the staggered sentences?
Posted by shawnlsu
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:27 am to
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Fraugd Protection?


Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:28 am to
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As is somewhat common in cases like this, the court said the couple will serve consecutive sentences so one parent can take care of the Giudice’s four young daughters. In a statement to the court before her sentencing, Teresa said that she would repay the funds the couple fraudulently obtained from the banks and other institutions if she could receive home arrest and community service.

Should we ruin the lives of their children, taking them into state custody, so that we can deliver justice?

Staggered sentencing is most appropriate.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:28 am to
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Why are they getting any jail time when we have others knowingly doing worse fraudulent activities simply paying fines and restitution?


idk but just because they get off doesn't mean everyone should

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This guy will never work a decent job again because of the criminal record


did he work one to begin with?
Posted by tylercsbn9
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:30 am to
All the families on those shows have shady arse shite. I bet they could all go down for what those two tards got charged with.
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:31 am to
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idk but just because they get off doesn't mean everyone should

It's not that they got off, they weren't charged at all.

You're basically admitting that you're okay with completely subjective application of criminal law. What could go wrong?

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did he work one to begin with?

Good point.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:33 am to
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You're basically admitting that you're okay with completely subjective application of criminal law. What could go wrong?


no but i believe it is more complex with corporations than individuals. Where do you stop when prosecuting individuals working in a company?

Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:34 am to
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no but i believe it is more complex with corporations than individuals. Where do you stop when prosecuting individuals working in a company?

Companies don't commit fraud, people working for them do. It's not complex, that is a pure cop-out.
This post was edited on 10/3/14 at 10:35 am
Posted by meauxjeaux2
watson
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:36 am to
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Should we ruin the lives of their children, taking them into state custody, so that we can deliver justice?

Staggered sentencing is most appropriate.


it find it interesting that they get the benefit of such thing when other families don't.
Don't you?
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:36 am to
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Companies don't commit fraud, people working for them do. It's not complex, that is a pure cop-out.


its usually much more complex than some guido filing for loans with false information
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:47 am to
No, it's not. People often talk about complexity, quickly dismissing the fact that major global institutions with leverage and political power agree to give billions of dollars to the government in the face of these investigations. DOJ prosecutes criminal fraud conducted under the veil of a corporation all the time, with great success.

There are countless examples of rampant fraud in the financial services industry; DOJ has caught several employees of firms red-handed, with stellar cases that are capable of extracting enormous fines but not stellar enough to illustrate criminal fraud in a court of law.

Not buying it.

The committee assigned to investigate the subprime fallout was given a budget equal to one-seventh of the budget for the movie Wall Street: Money Never Sleeps. I wonder what we spent on these two assholes.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:49 am to
they did get staggering sentencing
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:50 am to
what about enron?
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:50 am to
What about it? That was fricking years ago.
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:51 am to
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Staggered

I know. I was responding to the post asking why nobody was discussing it.
Posted by Topwater Trout
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:53 am to
they served prison time...you act like the government never prosecutes big business. I just stated they do.

I have no problem with them going after these two. I understand what you are saying but it still shouldn't mean they shouldn't have prosecuted them.
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 10/3/14 at 10:56 am to
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