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re: "Price Gouging" during a disaster: Good or Bad
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:03 pm to Scoop
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:03 pm to Scoop
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Does gouging indirectly help more people than it hurts?
I don't know Scoop. Ask the ten kids that bought a popsicle for a nickel last week that didn't have a quarter to buy it this week. The eleventh kid had two bucks and bought them all for himself.
Is anybody hurt? More than likely.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:04 pm to Scoop
Stephen Dubner's explanation....
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Assume for a moment that every store tripled the price of water as soon the shortage became evident. How outraged would you be? How outraged shouldyou be? Or, perversely, do you think stores should have charged even more, perhaps 10 times the normal amount for a bottle of water?
How you answer these questions probably depends on when you got to the store (and/or whether you have studied economics). If you arrived in time to buy as much water as you wanted, you were probably a bit ticked off to pay triple, but still grateful you got your water. If the bottled water was all gone by the time you arrived, you probably wish the store had charged 10 times the normal amount. That high price would have acted as a brake against all the unnecessary hoarding that happened before you got to the store, and there would have been some water left for you.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:04 pm to TH03
austin texas. morons are panicking here
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:04 pm to Homesick Tiger
Is it better that 1 person has access to a case of water at normal market price and 3 people have no water or is it better that all 4 people have water at a higher expense?
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:06 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Any economics person will tell you it's good.
Then they're short sighted. It is a hardline, black and white stance that doesn't take into account the actual business strategy involved.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:06 pm to Scoop
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It's more about thinking outside the box as to whether it leads to a wider distribution of scarcities.
How can it do that if you're shrinking the customer base due to overpricing???
Not a lot of people can afford a new Bugatti.... a hell of a lot more people can afford a used 98 civic
Not a lot of people can afford a case of water at $100
A lot more people can afford a case of water at $15
Set quotas per customer based on stock and at regular price... business still makes their money, and more people can have access to critical goods
I'm pro-market and love capitalism, but in a major crisis, be respectful of those in need
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:07 pm to Winston Cup
Dallas too. There's one gas station close with gas and it's packed.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:08 pm to Scoop
I don't give a frick if you want to gouge prices for shite like a TV or a toaster. But when it comes to water I'm not a fan and I support laws in place to protect the consumer from shite like that in regards to essential things of life during a crisis
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:08 pm to TH03
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"Price Gouging" during a disaster: Good or Bad
Illegal
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:08 pm to Scoop
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or is it better that all 4 people have water at a higher expense?
This is based on if all 4 can afford it?
Let's hurry up, I got to go watch football.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:08 pm to Scoop
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Is it better that 1 person has access to a case of water at normal market price and 3 people have no water or is it better that all 4 people have water at a higher expense?
This argument is so stupid in practice, particularly at the extremes. You're not allocating resources to those who need it the most, you're allocating resources to those who can afford it.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:09 pm to TH03
gasbuddy.com
shows what is available. doesn't however show wait time.
shows what is available. doesn't however show wait time.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:10 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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How can it do that if you're shrinking the customer base due to overpricing???
Not a lot of people can afford a new Bugatti.... a hell of a lot more people can afford a used 98 civic
Not a lot of people can afford a case of water at $100
A lot more people can afford a case of water at $15
Set quotas per customer based on stock and at regular price... business still makes their money, and more people can have access to critical goods
I'm pro-market and love capitalism, but in a major crisis, be respectful of those in need
The same 6 people in favor of this want you to remove "feelings" and "morality." They just want you to look at it from the purely financial perspective in which in their case plays into their hand and is very much true.
However, that dog won't hunt in the real world.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:11 pm to Scoop
I listened to him say that too and I definitely disagree with him. He makes lots of good points regularly but he's wrong on this.
He's rich and doesn't have to deal with things like this and even if he did, he has millions of dollars to not worry about it.
He's rich and doesn't have to deal with things like this and even if he did, he has millions of dollars to not worry about it.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:12 pm to TheArrogantCorndog
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I'm pro-market and love capitalism, but in a major crisis, be respectful of those in need
You are not getting it.
In a scarcity situation, those without means will be arse out with price controls anyway because those with means will purchase more than they need in a crises situation. Price gouging puts downward pressure on the consumption of scarcities.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:12 pm to slackster
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This argument is so stupid in practice, particularly at the extremes. You're not allocating resources to those who need it the most, you're allocating resources to those who can afford it.
I'd rather allocate resources to 100 people that can afford it than to the first ten assholes that show up and are able to hoard-buy everything at the artificial lower price.
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:14 pm to Scoop
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The discussion isn't whether gouging is moral or ethical. It's more about thinking outside the box as to whether it leads to a wider distribution of scarcities.
On basic necessities, it doesn't.
Hell, why not charge $1000 for a case of water, that way only the people who absolutely need it in a life and death situation can have plenty available. Who cares if they can't afford it. You may not sell a single case, and people may die of thirst, but you're just protecting the supply for those who need it even more.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:16 pm to slackster
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On basic necessities, it doesn't.
Hell, why not charge $1000 for a case of water, that way only the people who absolutely need it in a life and death situation can have plenty available. Who cares if they can't afford it. You may not sell a single case, and people may die of thirst, but you're just protecting the supply for those who need it even more
In a disaster situation it's more likely that the person charging obscene amounts of money for basic necessities might wind up getting harmed.
Hope you hired some mercenaries with your 1k water.
I am being facetious but you get my point.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:17 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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I'd rather allocate resources to 100 people that can afford it than to the first ten assholes that show up and are able to hoard-buy everything at the artificial lower price.
I love the scenario where we can raise the prices to whatever we want to charge, but we can't limit the amounts per consumer.
Come on, be practical. One unit per person, perhaps.
At the end of the day, I don't believe price gouging should be illegal. I think the court of public opinion should be educated on those who price gouge, and they'll decide the ultimate fate of that business.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:17 pm to Scoop
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It's more about thinking outside the box as to whether it leads to a wider distribution of scarcities.
And if they are looted scarcity goes up way up... no?
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 6:17 pm
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