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re: President of Georgia Tech's Pride Alliance Shot Dead By Cop After Refusing To Drop Knife
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:31 pm to EA6B
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:31 pm to EA6B
quote:
45 years ago I saw a drunk lunge at a cop with a knife, the cop took him down with a night stick and cuffed him, risk of bodily injury was a accepted part of the job. Today it is acceptable to just shoot and kill someone for any perceived threat with even the most remote possibility of it resulting in harm to the officer.
I'm cool with this.
Have they started rioting yet? Need a SitRep to plan this evening activities.
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Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:34 pm to Pettifogger
quote:It's really almost an impossible situation.
But I suspect you agree with me and the other poster who thinks it's likely the chance of serious injury is fairly low
Yea, the odds were probably pretty low there in that very moment the person was shot, I'd agree. But if cops were to be trained to wait until the odds were high, then we'd have a whole bunch of dead cops, so what do we do?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:35 pm to EA6B
quote:I have no problem saying that I think that cop should have just shot the person and not risked their own bodily harm.
45 years ago I saw a drunk lunge at a cop with a knife, the cop took him down with a night stick and cuffed him
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:40 pm to Pettifogger
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Yeah, but that doesn't really end the inquiry, does it? You're an LEO of some sort, do you feel that as long as you can reconcile your actions with that standard, you're going to be alright? I'm not sure I'd have that sense of security in this environment. I think you probably feel better about the legal consensus than the public consensus, but either way, we're ultimately always discerning what is and what isn't the determination of a reasonable person (meaning it's not an objective standard).
Yeah, the lack of security sucks and it's a scary thought wondering if how your actions will be dissected months later by those who weren't there. I have lots of professional insurance.
But to be honest, I don't view it as simply as "can I do this violent thing to this bad guy because I'm legally able" to do it. I think that's a shitty way to practice law enforcement. But I'll say this- when pushed to the point where I'm forced to make a decision of safely going home to my wife and kids in one piece or using a weapon, the answer is clear.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:40 pm to shel311
quote:
Yea, the odds were probably pretty low there in that very moment the person was shot, I'd agree. But if cops were to be trained to wait until the odds were high, then we'd have a whole bunch of dead cops, so what do we do?
I tend to side with the cops, particularly in situations like this where any half-reasonable person would have made it out of that confrontation alive.
But, from a raw numbers perspective, if a couple hundred people a year are dying in 1% situations, I think it's reasonable to question if the lines are drawn too starkly in favor of law enforcement.
I agree there aren't any easy answers, and honestly there may be no reasonable changes to be made. But this is a huge national topic, and I think what we're getting at is the heart of the whole thing (more so than profiling, the idea that cops are out hunting for conflict, etc.).
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:43 pm to ClientNumber9
quote:
But to be honest, I don't view it as simply as "can I do this violent thing to this bad guy because I'm legally able" to do it. I think that's a shitty way to practice law enforcement. But I'll say this- when pushed to the point where I'm forced to make a decision of safely going home to my wife and kids in one piece or using a weapon, the answer is clear.
I expect (and hope) that few people look at it like that, and that most look at it like you do. But nonetheless, I have to think in training and in every day life as an LEO, what you believe to be the boundaries of your profession work their way in to how you think about situations, yeah?
Posted on 9/18/17 at 4:53 pm to Pettifogger
quote:
I have to think in training and in every day life as an LEO, what you believe to be the boundaries of your profession work their way in to how you think about situations, yeah?
I suppose they do but then, I'm a fed and most of our arrests are against people we are intimately familiar with, both criminally and personally. So when I'm going through that doorway or meeting them as they exit their car, I have a good idea of what my bad guy is capable of doing in the name of escape/attack. Most of them are violent, dangerous dirt bags and I'm not inclined to take chances on their behavioral responses so we adopt the "shock and awe" tactic of an overwhelming approach from all angles.
Also, after you've been assaulted a few times, it colors your perspective on how much you'll tolerate. Once you realize how quickly things can go sideways, you err (sometimes dramatically so) on the side of caution.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:03 pm to Pettifogger
Pettifogger, remember first responders are always the ones running the "wrong" way when danger comes. It is part of our job to confront the ones that will hurt civilians.
I do like the way you are trying to express your concerns.
I do like the way you are trying to express your concerns.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:06 pm to TigersSEC2010
Sad. Pretty clear suicide by cop. Seems like a tazer could have handled him, but he wanted it to end like that. Feel bad for the cops that had to shoot him.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:12 pm to Gulf Coast Tiger
quote:
I do like the way you are trying to express your concerns.
Just to be clear, most of my concerns are in the abstract. I think there are issues of governmental overreach, including when it comes to law enforcement, but I rarely find myself on the side condemning a police-involved shooting.
Here, I have no desire to see the decisions of the police officers put up for trial-by-public opinion. They will be, but it's not my goal, and my personal conclusion is that the shooting was justified. But obviously I think this board can handle a topic that calls police shootings into some degree of question without condemning cops. In contrast, I wouldn't try and pull that off in a college classroom, where I imagine a lot more people would harbor anti-police bias and see the discussion only through that lens.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:26 pm to Pettifogger
Fair enough, solid post.
This post was edited on 9/18/17 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:28 pm to Pettifogger
Nothing wrong with intelligent discussions about this subject from different points of view. To many times mouth breathers invade these posts
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:29 pm to Mr. Hangover
I agree with it on a genetic cleansing level. Although it's unlikely that guy was going to have his genes passed on.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:39 pm to TigersSEC2010
Personally, I think this is more an indictment of the lack of mental healthcare in this country than whether it was a good shoot for a LEO.
That said, for those who in hindsight can break out the "Well should've shot him in the arm/tazed him/etc", somebody needs to dredge up that video of the cop down south that followed a suspect who someone called in as a robber and the cop told him MULTIPLE times to take his hands out of his pockets at a relatively close range. In a split second the guy shot the cop in the neck and kept shooting as he ran away (putting the lives of bystanders at risk). Without any yelling or barely any movement for a gun (that was in his pocket).
It can happen that fast. That's why LEOs are taught to address lethal force with lethal force. And apparently this person was called in as having a gun as well as a knife.
That said, for those who in hindsight can break out the "Well should've shot him in the arm/tazed him/etc", somebody needs to dredge up that video of the cop down south that followed a suspect who someone called in as a robber and the cop told him MULTIPLE times to take his hands out of his pockets at a relatively close range. In a split second the guy shot the cop in the neck and kept shooting as he ran away (putting the lives of bystanders at risk). Without any yelling or barely any movement for a gun (that was in his pocket).
It can happen that fast. That's why LEOs are taught to address lethal force with lethal force. And apparently this person was called in as having a gun as well as a knife.
Posted on 9/18/17 at 5:42 pm to TigersSEC2010
That nasty He/She thing screamed like a baby back bitch when he was shot.
Die like a real man...eerrr die like a woman... hell I don't know what He/She is
Die like a real man...eerrr die like a woman... hell I don't know what He/She is
Posted on 9/18/17 at 8:01 pm to TigersSEC2010
He wanted to get shot and he screamed like a lil bitch.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 1:56 pm to Fun Bunch
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One thing you are not mentioning:
The police were informed in the 911 call that he had a knife AND a gun. They were operating under that knowledge.
It was announced yesterday that Scott Schultz was the one who made that 911 call. He said there is a suspicious man walking around waving a knife and he has a gun on his hip. Turns out, he was talking about himself. This guy 100% wanted the police to kill him.
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