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PM for a sub to PM for a GC
Posted on 7/22/17 at 1:35 pm
Posted on 7/22/17 at 1:35 pm
Right now I'm a project engineer/APM for a drywall/framing/ACT sub. How easy or not after a few years would it be to transition to a GC role? Not sure how high the ceiling is at my current company. It seems like you reach PM status and then any extra money you earn is from bonuses and not promotions.
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Posted on 7/22/17 at 1:39 pm to themasterpater
quote:I wouldn't hire you if you can't measure the height of a ceiling.
Not sure how high the ceiling is at my current company.
For some reason I thought you were a pater.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 1:39 pm to themasterpater
Pressing 1 for English
Posted on 7/22/17 at 1:40 pm to soccerfüt
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Soccerfut
Go back to the ghey (cough) soccer board
Posted on 7/22/17 at 1:45 pm to themasterpater
quote:It's "soccerfüt" you godless fricking comuniss.
Soccerfut
Umlauts matter.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 1:49 pm to soccerfüt
Lol you mad baw?
This post was edited on 7/22/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted on 7/22/17 at 1:51 pm to soccerfüt
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comuniss
It's "communist" you pile of sticks loving soccer count
Posted on 7/22/17 at 2:01 pm to themasterpater
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It seems like you reach PM status and then any extra money you earn is from bonuses and not promotions.
If you're company (i.e. you) is handling large scale subcontracts (over a million) it shouldn't be super difficult. However, how good you are at your job, networking with the GCs you work for, etc. Would play a huuuuuge role.
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It seems like you reach PM status and then any extra money you earn is from bonuses and not promotions
This is something that you should have researched from the start. Some companies are open to proven successful PMs moving into ownership after years of success and loyalty. However, most of the subs I come into contact with are family owned.
That's why working for a large GC is pretty cool. Most have a career ladder that pushes the good PMs into senior and executive level positions which often result in small ownership portions.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 2:02 pm to themasterpater
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themasterpater
Where are you located?
Posted on 7/22/17 at 2:15 pm to themasterpater
I recommend making the change over to a GC by way of a field (Superintendent) position for 3-5 years with the plan to change over to the management route once your feet are firmly planted into coordinating all 16 divisions.
A mid-level Super can make 65-75k right now and it sounds like you have good experience in Divs 5-9.
A mid-level Super can make 65-75k right now and it sounds like you have good experience in Divs 5-9.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 2:41 pm to baseballmind1212
It is an employee owned company so after a year I get to be an "owner" in the company. They also hand out pretty fat bonuses from what I understand dependent on the work you bid/run. I just sold and am running a job near 2mil in drywall scope. APMing on quite a few others above and below that range as well.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 2:43 pm to 4LSU2
I do think field super would maybe suit my personality more than indoor estimating and PMing like I'm doing now. I'm pretty sure supers make more than 75k where I'm at (D.C.). But cost of living is also stupid expensive so it's not apples to apples.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 2:44 pm to baseballmind1212
D.C. NOVA area
Posted on 7/22/17 at 2:51 pm to themasterpater
Shouldn't be hard to get on with a GC like Clark or Grunley with your experience. On larger projects they have OE/PE/PM's specific to interiors and that could be your way in.
You're right your ceiling would be higher if you're worth a shite and there is so much vertical work going on in DC you should have no issue finding an opening.
You're right your ceiling would be higher if you're worth a shite and there is so much vertical work going on in DC you should have no issue finding an opening.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 2:54 pm to jamboybarry
I've been a sub under Clark working with ACT drywall eifs defs and firecaulking. Those guys are so adversarial from the GC side. Not sure I'd ever want to be a sub on there job again. Working for them may be a different story though.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 2:54 pm to jamboybarry
You in LA or D.C. area?
Posted on 7/22/17 at 2:59 pm to themasterpater
LA now
Worked in DC
Worked in DC
Posted on 7/22/17 at 3:00 pm to jamboybarry
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On larger projects they have OE/PE/PM's specific to interiors
This is definitely the type of gig you should look into. Get your foot in the door managing one area (like interior build out) on a major project with a GC. Prove you know the nuts and bolts of the other divisions and you're golden.
Field experience would be great. The money side of things I can't help you with because DC earning scales are nothing like anything I'm knowledgeable of.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 3:03 pm to themasterpater
Being a PM for a CM is significantly more involved than PMing for a drywall contractor. The company I worked for would not even consider making someone a PM that had not progressed up through the GCing ranks.
Posted on 7/22/17 at 3:05 pm to Maniac979
Also a good point. That's why I started the post. Didn't know how feasible it is or not. Not looking to leave my company anytime soon. I still have a lot to learn. But in the event I get bored or there's a slow down I want my options open.
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