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re: OK Sheriff indicted for bribery, extortion after traffic stop
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:06 pm to slackster
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:06 pm to slackster
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Sure, and I think common sense says that the people who were arrested let the money walk knowing they were screwed because it was drug money.
Why do you think it was drug money? Because that was the original charge? How do you not see this was essentially a shakedown- "Gives us $10k, or face drug charges and we lock you away for life"
This was absolutely no different than highway robbery.
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Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:07 pm to ManBearTiger
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Mandating someone carrying around high amounts of cash to prove it isn't drug money is very much assuming guilt and making the perp prove their innocence- this goes against every aspect of how our justice system is supposed to operate.
I 100% agree, as I've said many times in this thread already.
My point is that the law should be abolished on the grounds it is unconstitutional, not necessarily because innocent people are being fleeced across the US.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:07 pm to NYNolaguy1
What does anything this sheriff did make him ok?
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:09 pm to molsusports
The law was originally written to go after so called drug "kingpins" 10,000 is not a drug kingpin. Every time the cops seize these relatively small amounts of money they are going against the spirit of the law. It is misused and abused more than any law on the books. I've seen a prosecutor steal a guys truck over a 20 dollar bag of weed. I can't believe we continue to allow this to go on in our country
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:11 pm to NYNolaguy1
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How do you not see this was essentially a shakedown
It definitely was a shakedown, but as I've said before, far more often than not the money is actually illegal. There are obviously exceptions, which are terrible, and even seizing the illegal funds is taking a dump on the constitution, but let's not act like they're taking that money from our friends and family on their way to buy a boat.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:11 pm to slackster
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I said it should be unconstitutional, but the idea that departments are stealing money from the innocent left and right is a bit overblown. I've read a horror story or two, but by and large this shite happens to people who obtained the money from illegal sources.
You suck. How about due process instead of being a thief apologist? This is stealing. They might get the right guys some of the time but the whole effort is without purpose unless you actually show the money was drug money.
If it really is a drug dealer he can make that back immediately. If it isn't a drug dealer you've stolen a big pile of cash from a person that may have huge negative effects on his or her life for months or years. Theft of this order ought to be a felony and result in years of jail for the deputies or other agents doing this.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:16 pm to slackster
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It definitely was a shakedown, but as I've said before, far more often than not the money is actually illegal. There are obviously exceptions, which are terrible, and even seizing the illegal funds is taking a dump on the constitution, but let's not act like they're taking that money from our friends and family on their way to buy a boat.
There's been more than one place that did exactly that... Tenaha Texas for example
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In the East Texas town of Tenaha, the district attorney oversaw aparticularly Dickensian operation: Local cops would stop out-of-town drivers on the flimsiest of pretexts to look for cash, DVD players, cell phones, anything of value. The DA would threaten drivers with criminal charges, even promising to have state authorities remove kids from parents unless they waived rights to the property.
A class-action lawsuit uncovered that the proceeds from this highway robbery—an estimated $3 million between 2006 and 2008—were paying for popcorn machines, donations to a local Baptist church and bonuses for law enforcement key to the operation. Meanwhile, the DA was handing out light sentences to those caught with drugs, or laundered money, in exchange for seizing their assets.
LINK
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:17 pm to NYNolaguy1
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More often than not defendants spend more money on counsel than what was seized. This is by design to discourage people from fighting seizures.
Look, I can go on for days about how terrible this system is even down to traffic tickets that are cheaper than the court costs required to prove your innocence.
However, I think people are arguing the wrong point if they're trying to say that innocent people are being robbed by police departments across the country.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:17 pm to molsusports
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You suck. How about due process instead of being a thief apologist? This is stealing
This. If it can be proven in a court I have no problem seeing them walk out of court dressed in rags from a goodwill box but just taking money because someone has some is outright stealing
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:26 pm to slackster
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Again, I don't like the law, but if you've got $10k in cash on you and you cannot validate the source of those funds, there is in incredibly high likelihood it is from illegal sources.
Not easy to do. If you saved a little cash in your home safe that accumulated over years into $12,000 how would you prove its not drug money? You take the cash out the house to go buy whatever(car, boat, mower, etc) and stopped by police and they find that cash, you are shite out of luck.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:27 pm to NYNolaguy1
frick da Police.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:28 pm to NYNolaguy1
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There's been more than one place that did exactly that... Tenaha Texas for example
I know it happens in places, but look at this excerpt from that story in Tenaha:
[quote]The officer, Barry Washington, searched the vehicle and asked Morrow if he had any money, according to court records. Morrow, who is black, had $3,900. He said the officer took the cash and drove him to the Shelby County Jail.
That's where authorities threatened to prosecute him for money laundering unless he agreed to forfeit the money, Morrow said. He was never charged with a crime in the 2007 incident, and when he pursued legal action, he got the money back.
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It is a shame he had to go through that, but he got the money back when he threatened to sue them. The system is abhorrent - make no mistake - but by and large it is illegal money being confiscated.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:29 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Torrell Wallace and a 17-year-old
does he have a job?
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:30 pm to saintsfan1977
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Not easy to do. If you saved a little cash in your home safe that accumulated over years into $12,000 how would you prove its not drug money?
Well whatever you do with it is going to require federal reporting in the first place. Try bringing $12,000 in cash to your bank and see if they just take it with no questions asked. Federal money laundering laws are incredibly strict.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:31 pm to Topwater Trout
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does he have a job?
Maybe?
I don't see how that's a requirement from being shook down.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:32 pm to slackster
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the idea that departments are stealing money from the innocent left and right is a bit overblown.
You're just lucky it hasn't been you that got a shake down. I had a JPSO pull me over, toss my car, and steal a hand gun from me.
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but by and large this shite happens to people who obtained the money from illegal sources.
People that say this kind of thing should be forced to wear a scarlet letter so the people who have been on the wrong end of CAF can slap the shite out of you anytime they see you on the street.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:33 pm to slackster
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Well whatever you do with it is going to require federal reporting in the first place. Try bringing $12,000 in cash to your bank and see if they just take it with no questions asked. Federal money laundering laws are incredibly strict.
To think there was an entire generation of people that didn't trust banks after they failed them- often hiding money in walls, attics, freezers... Now they'd be suspected of money laundering or "drug charges" simply by having cash.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:34 pm to molsusports
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You suck. How about due process instead of being a thief apologist? This is stealing.
C'mon, have a little common sense. This shite is ridiculous, I agree, but it is ridiculous because it is guilty until proven innocent, not because innocent people everywhere are having their shite taken from them.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:35 pm to slackster
Im talking about money you saved from your check each month but in cash. You already paid taxes on it.
You could deposit 12,000 cash in a bank. They will give you forms to fill out and you might get audited but there is no law preventing you from depositing money in a bank.
You could deposit 12,000 cash in a bank. They will give you forms to fill out and you might get audited but there is no law preventing you from depositing money in a bank.
Posted on 4/1/16 at 2:35 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Now they'd be suspected of money laundering or "drug charges" simply by having cash.
17 yrs old with 10k. You really think it isn't drug money?
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