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re: Need advice from O-T lawyers

Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:18 pm to
Posted by TigernMS12
Member since Jan 2013
5533 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:18 pm to
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stay away from law unless you want to work grueling hours


Depends on field of law/where you work. I've worked for 2 years splitting time with a public defender and ADA. I don't want to speak for everywhere because where I worked is not a big city district, but the average work week where I've been is probably around 30-35 hours. Get to the office/court around 9:30 and we were done around 3:30 when the judges(s) left. One or two days a week we would have to go the jail after. The only exception is if we were prepping for trial. Then it really would be 60 hour weeks, take the work home with you, your entire life is work type deal (for the PD/ADA, not me lol).
Posted by Koach K
Member since Nov 2016
4108 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:19 pm to
Also the Lipitor and blood thinners keep the old guard alive longer. They need the young blood to do their work so they can support their unemployed lawyer children while still making payments on some stupid purchase they made during the 90's. If you want to be a mushroom (i.e. Kept in the dark and fed shite doing somebody's job for them) then by all means go to law school.
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
42538 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:20 pm to
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So many people go into law school with the idea that they're going to land the 150K/yr job in a prominent big city firm and then get disappointed when they don't.


I'd say most don't have this pipe dream anymore and know the reality of the legal field.

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Then they say the market sucks. I'm not to lie, the market's not great.


It's bad. No other way to put it.

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but if you really want a job and do well in law school a job will be there. You just have to look for it.


This makes law school a good choice?

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I came to law school knowing I wanted to prosecute. I'm top 10% in my class and no one even remotely close to me in class rank is seeking a government job. They all want the big firm corporate job.


:CSB:

Check back with the other OT salty lawyers when you pass the bar and work for a while. Until then you shouldn't really be giving advice about whether someone should be going to law school -- I was in that same boat and should not have encouraged anyone to go
Posted by TheOcean
#honeyfriedchicken
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:21 pm to
Posted by TigernMS12
Member since Jan 2013
5533 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:27 pm to
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This makes law school a good choice?

Yes, if it really what you want to do. If you see law school/practicing law as just a job and a paycheck, then probably not. In my case, it's truly what I want to do, not just simply a job.
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Check back with the other OT salty lawyers when you pass the bar and work for a while. Until then you shouldn't really be giving advice about whether someone should be going to law school -- I was in that same boat and should not have encouraged anyone to go
I wasn't necessarily encouraging, just offering my experience. I offered what I believe to be true and he can decide if it's worth it (of course considering other views than mine)
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:28 pm to
My advice follows. Take it for what it is worth. I've been practicing for decades in several states, and I am annually involved in hiring lawyers:

1. The market in Louisiana and in many other places is oversupplied.

2. There are never enough good lawyers.

3. You sound like you are looking for an educational experience, not for a career. If so, I'd discourage you from law school.

4. Most practicing lawyers are unhappy. Many are struggling to make a living. Even lawyers who love it (like me) will tell you that it is sometimes a brutal way to make a living.

5. If you really wanted to be a lawyer, rather than playing at school for another few years, you'd probably already know it.

6. You have a high GPA and a pretty good LSAT score. That does not mean you will be successful in law school or in practice.

7. What is your end game? What kind of law would you like to practice? If you don't know that, then go dabble in something else.

8. It's hard to say who you are based on a hundred words in a post. But I can tell you I have met practicing lawyers who would have written something like you wrote. None of them made it. None of them was worth a damn at it, in fact.

You can read this any way you want. Maybe I am just a cranky old fart yelling at you to get off my lawn. Reading your post, though, I'd say you should run screaming away from law school.
This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 9:30 pm
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15049 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:28 pm to
I'm currently sipping coffee and settling in to spend a couple hours working on a brief, if that sounds appealing to you.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80381 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:34 pm to
Ugh, prayers sent
Posted by Pettifogger
Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone
Member since Feb 2012
79322 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 9:59 pm to
I'm renewing a motion for sanctions baws

Not to disagree much with what Holden said, but I know plenty of folks, myself included, who didn't have a clear path determined and are managing alright. We grumble about law, but we don't hate it. We're not struggling to put food on the table.

But so much of this depends on your circumstances. The legal market in Atlanta right now isn't horrible. It's not 2006, but it's not 2009 either. Going to a big regional or national law school, doing well, and planning to practice in a larger area is going to provide you with considerably more flexibility.

I'm not telling you to do that, and there are downsides to those things, but it does change how I'd tell people to view law school and the prospects of a legal career. In other words, I think it's great if you have a strong idea of what you want to practice. But it becomes far more essential if you're going to a smaller law school or planning to work in a smaller area. You're not going to shoot for PI and settle on ERISA work if you're locked in to working in Auburn, Alabama.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34517 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:02 pm to
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This post was edited on 12/7/16 at 10:05 pm
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
5982 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:36 pm to
Neither. Go for environmental engineering.
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:44 pm to
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I was thinking about joining the ministry and attending divinity school, but now I'm leaning towards law school.


So, you wanted inappropriate relationships with the altar boys but now you want to know how to get away with it?
Posted by LoveThatMoney
Who knows where?
Member since Jan 2008
12268 posts
Posted on 12/7/16 at 10:56 pm to
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Does my Master of Philosophy improve my resume?


Probably not.

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Does admissions look at my graduate GPA?


I think so.


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Should I invest in tutoring for the LSAT? 


Given your two practice scores, you might can swing it without tutoring, but I think it's generally worth it. If you can improve your LSAT even two points to over 170 you'll be golden.

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'm curious as to what the job market is like for law school grads


Seems like it isn't bad. A lot of people quit going in the last five or so years. Depends on the city and region though.

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is law school worth it if I do not attend one of the top schools in the country


If you want to be a lawyer, yes. If you want to be rich, no. If you want a decent paycheck, yes, but only if you do well in your class and you go to a school in a region that has decent economic activity.
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