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re: Natural antibody vs vaccine antibody
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:26 pm to heatom2
Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:26 pm to heatom2
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Does that mean suppressed, or still unknown?
If you aren’t actually looking for it, that makes it unknown. I would argue that by selectively choosing to ignore that data subset, it is being suppressed. I mean, it has been over a year and you have medical “experts” like Dr. Catherine O’Neal stating that natural immunity doesn’t work (at all) with virtually no data to support her stance.
The studies that have been put forth are very small in size, have issues with methodology, and are even being discounted by their own authors.
I would argue that this aspect being unknown implies suppression. Just my .02.
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Posted on 8/21/21 at 12:45 pm to jimmy the leg
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I mean, it has been over a year and you have medical “experts” like Dr. Catherine O’Neal stating that natural immunity doesn’t work (at all) with virtually no data to support her stance.
LINK
Dr. Oneal did the presentation linked here. She explained the antibody vs vaccine issue from around the 12-14min mark if you are curious. Basically, antibodies worked well against OG covid, they are unsure about vs delta, but the one study she showed on her slide showed that the antibodies didnnot work as well against delta. The study was from india. Take it for what you will
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:24 pm to josh336
I’ll go with evolution before Dr. Death.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 1:26 pm to rsbd
Ya'll keep believing the CDC, they'll lead you right to your death bed
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:10 pm to rsbd
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Truth about vaccine induced antibodies vs Natural antibodies See for yourself
That was a fantastic and short video. Guarantee 0 liberals here clicked on it but they all downloaded.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:12 pm to SuperSaint
Not saying that the info in the Facebook link is right or wrong but can you clear something up for me with a link? I’ve heard lots of “experts” say that mass vaccination is what is driving these variants and will eventually lead to super variants. True or no?
Also, where else is the guy supposed to post his video for people to see? I heard he tried to post it on CNN’s website but they declined...signed, a boomer
Also, where else is the guy supposed to post his video for people to see? I heard he tried to post it on CNN’s website but they declined...signed, a boomer
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:24 pm to Antonio Moss
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The problem is that natural infection and reinfection are incredibly hard to track compared to vaccination.
Positive tests?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:26 pm to AtlantaLSUfan
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That was a fantastic and short video. Guarantee 0 liberals here clicked on it but they all downloaded.
Anybody left, right or purple with any understanding of vaccines clicked it off when he said the vaccine-induced antibodies shut down your innate immune system.
How much money have you spent over your life on dick lengthening pills?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:29 pm to Cosmo
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Joe Biden is a political “expert” I guess eve thing he says is fact to you too..... Another nice deflection
No different than your deflection of “Facebook video”. Can you dispute the info in the video? I understand that this video has a certain religious undertone to it so people will automatically discard the content. The fact is that I’ve heard lots of others claim that the vaccines are causing the virus to mutate. I have not heard one expert dispute this.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:38 pm to OleSkuleTgr
You havent wanted to hear, and the poster above you already disputed it.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 2:43 pm to josh336
He didn’t answer my question, he’s talking about the immune system. I’m referring to how the virus reacts to the vaccine. I would like to see someone dispute that the vaccine is driving these new variants. Hell, I’d even take a Facebook video.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 3:05 pm to Cosmo
Anyone know what the percentage of reinfections are with this delta variant?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 3:11 pm to Asharad
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Not suppressed. Not common, not enough data.
What a load of horse shite
Posted on 8/21/21 at 3:13 pm to OleSkuleTgr
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The fact is that I’ve heard lots of others claim that the vaccines are causing the virus to mutate. I have not heard one expert dispute this.
First, anyone saying "the vaccine causes a virus to mutate" is dead wrong, full stop.
Mutations go on all the time in every kingdom of life. Oak trees have mutations, humans have mutations, and viruses have mutations. The number of mutations are dependant on mainly two things the number of reproductive cycles and the particular organism's accuracy when reproducing its genetic material.
COVID is a RNA virus. Two traits important to mutations are they have huge numbers of reproductive cycles and they are have relatively low accuracy in the reproduction of their genetic material, so they produce LOTS of mutations, thousands were sequenced in the first couple of months of the pandemic.
Whether an individual mutation is more or less transmissible or more or less deadly is not by any choice of the vaccine it isn't sentient and outside of humans no earthly organisms has any conscious control over what pops out during a reproduction cycle. Mutations are simply a genetic roll of the dice.
Now what you are likely conflating with the vaccines "causing mutations" is vaccines putting evolutionary pressure on a virus.
A virus just wants to find a host and reproduce. If you put up a roadblock to this, say a vaccine or a prophylactic medicine* the virus doesn't think about how to get around it it just keeps reproducing until it is wiped out and maybe one of the mutations can end-run the roadblock. If a virus makes that end run and reproduces and is fortunate enough to get passed around enough it might become a vaccine-resistant strain (or medicine resistant).
The key here is yes the vaccine can put evolutionary pressure on this or any virus but so can therapeutics, prophylaxis, or the natural immune system. This is what they conveniently leave out. Viruses have been mutating since the beginning of time without pressure from medicine or vaccines.
This is what I would suggest to anyone wanting to do COVID research on their own. First make sure you have at least a solid command of high school biology (A in the class and fresh in the mind) including vaccine science. If you don't have that now teach yourself with sources that were written/produced BEFORE COVID. This ensures you avoid anything written around a COVID bias either way. If you do that faithfully then you will be able to smell the bullshite a mile away from 95% of the bullshitters.
The biggest "problem" with misinformation is the average person doesn't remember enough about biology to recognize when someone veers away from the basic science.
* bet you haven't heard those same people point out ivermectin places evolutionary pressure on the virus have you and inexact dosing or periodic dosing (that moves in and out of the prophylactic levels)could actually be very bad the above is written arguendo that ivermectin has any positive effect on COVID
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 3:33 pm to JAMAC2001
I can personally verify whether natural get it or vaccinated, you will get it again. I along with other family members had it last June , then vaccinated in jan,feb and just recently most of us tested positive again. We all good
Posted on 8/21/21 at 3:37 pm to Obtuse1
Thanks for your response. That makes a lot of sense. I just kept hearing more and more that mass vaccination is what is causing these stronger variants and soon to be super variants. I guess we will have these variants either way or is it possible for vaccines to truly wipe it out?
Posted on 8/21/21 at 4:59 pm to JAMAC2001
I'm still trying to figure out what's going on in my house. Both kids and wife have gotten it twice, I've never had a sympton or tested positive.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 5:37 pm to Cosmo
I had Covid a year ago and this past week had direct contact with 3 people who tested positive same day I had contact. Took test on day five and negative result. I know anecdotal data but I quarantined to make sure.
Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:03 pm to josh336
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Basically, antibodies worked well against OG covid, they are unsure about vs delta
In your link, she stated that immunity from prior Covid did not work against Delta (she lied...again).
As for the graph, it is comparing people that have had the original Covid infection at least a year prior to the Delta wave (which didn’t happen in India in any measurable numbers at all prior to April of 2020) to people that got a vaccine in India over a year ago (which also didn’t happen because the vaccine roll out didn’t occur until January 16th of 2021!).
Sooooo...who in the frick were they supposedly studying in India to get the information shown on the graphs.
Like her “opinion,” that graph is total bullshite.
This post was edited on 8/21/21 at 6:07 pm
Posted on 8/21/21 at 6:50 pm to jojothetireguy
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Both kids and wife have gotten it twice, I've never had a sympton or tested positive.
You may have had asymptomatic covid before they got it and were already immune by the time you got tested.
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