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My Old High School Wants Its Own Police Force

Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:03 am
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
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Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:03 am
So, I graduated from a pretty sheltered Christian school just south of Birmingham, AL. We excelled in athletics and academics. All in all, it was a good school, but there was no tolerance for moral slip ups. If you were caught drinking at a party on the weekends, if someone saw you smoking a cigarette at the mall, if they found out you had sex, you were instantly expelled -- a teacher would clean out your locker for you and have it sent to your house.

My nephew and niece both attend now, and recently, there was a pretty large drug bust that took down about a dozen students in a school of about 350.

Now, they want their own police force on the campus that answers solely to the church.

I was wondering if the same thing happens in Louisiana -- since you have so many faith-based, private schools.

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A bill advertised by the Alabama Messenger – fulfilling the requirement of all bills before they can be introduced in the Legislature – would allow Briarwood to "appoint and employ one or more persons to act as police officers to protect the safety and integrity of the church and its ministries."

Those persons would be "charged with all of the duties and invested with all the powers of law enforcement in this state."

"The authority of any police officer appointed and employed pursuant to this section shall be restricted to the campuses and properties of Briarwood Presbyterian Church," it says.

Meaning that if passed, churchgoers or students or visitors anyone who sets foot on the grounds of Briarwood's Church or its school properties could be arrested by an officer of a private, non-profit company – a church to boot – that is appointed and hired by people who are not chosen at the ballot box.


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Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:04 am to
It must be more than 50% blacks. Amirite?
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
22001 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:06 am to
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It must be more than 50% blacks.


You misplaced the decimal. I'm sure you meant .50%, right?
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:08 am to
Well if that is the case it is ridiculous that they need a police force
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
72129 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:08 am to
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I was wondering if the same thing happens in Louisiana -- since you have so many faith-based, private schools.
Never heard of anything like you described occurring in LA.

That sounds like a terrible idea though.
Posted by LooseCannon22282
Mobile
Member since May 2008
33745 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:10 am to
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If you were caught drinking at a party on the weekends, if someone saw you smoking a cigarette at the mall, if they found out you had sex, you were instantly expelled



I think they wanted to do that at my school but one year at Mardi Gras things got out of hand.

then the next year a bunch of us showed up at the Homecoming Dance drunk.

a few really bad apples were expelled but a lot of their threats were bullshite.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
22001 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:14 am to
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but a lot of their threats were bullshite.


Not at Briarwood. Drop below a 2.5 and you're put on probation for a semester. Don't pull it up, and you're gone.

Any violations of the morality code were instant expulsions.

And the funny thing is, the kids there are all great kids from really good families. If there's one school that doesn't need its own police force, it's BCS.
Posted by LooseCannon22282
Mobile
Member since May 2008
33745 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:15 am to
oh, and Spring Break too.

can't forget that. You know how many underage drinking parties there were back then that never got busted by the cops?

but somebody always brought pictures back to school like a real genius.

somebody's mom ended up getting arrested later on.

ridiculous.
Posted by whodidthat
Member since Aug 2011
5896 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:15 am to
I think it's unnecessary and stupid, but it doesn't surprise me. They could hire a state trooper or some officer from the department of public safety.

It all depends on how they want to use the police on campus, for true public safety, or to hassle any and all people they deem trouble.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
22001 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:20 am to
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I think it's unnecessary and stupid, but it doesn't surprise me. They could hire a state trooper or some officer from the department of public safety.


I thought this might be like the "Student Resource Officer" or at most like Campus Police, but the way the bill reads, they would have the power to select and "deputize" anyone they wanted outside of local law enforcement organizations. They would not report to the Shelby County Sheriffs Office or State Troopers like officers at other schools. They would only be beholden to church officials.

My sister is on the faculty at the high school. I'll have to ask her what's going on in greater detail, but she's a true believer and would never speak against the school or church.
Posted by LooseCannon22282
Mobile
Member since May 2008
33745 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:24 am to
sometimes when you try and shelter kids too much it backfires.

I'll never forget my experience at a private school. My mom worked at one in Mobile so me, my brother, and my sister all had discounted tuition.

we had all gone to public school for most of our lives. So going to a private school was totally different. Sometimes I think if I hadn't played any sports things would have just sucked there.

I would have never guessed there would be so much drinking or drug use there. There was more drinking it seemed like but the year after I graduated they started doing hair follicle drug tests.
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 12:25 am
Posted by whodidthat
Member since Aug 2011
5896 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:37 am to
quote:

I thought this might be like the "Student Resource Officer" or at most like Campus Police, but the way the bill reads, they would have the power to select and "deputize" anyone they wanted outside of local law enforcement organizations. They would not report to the Shelby County Sheriffs Office or State Troopers like officers at other schools. They would only be beholden to church officials.



Then it would be stupid if the the bill passes, since it could open up the chance for other private organizations trying to deputize their own police forces. Campus police are usually legit police officers.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7653 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:39 am to
I have never seen it at the highschool level, and if you keep reading you will see I have been around quite a few Christian organizations in my day.


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could be arrested by an officer of a private, non-profit company – a church to boot – that is appointed and hired by people who are not chosen at the ballot box.


Considering how many private colleges, Christian and Non-Christian) I have seen with small police forces, this part doesnt actually bother me that much. However with colleges you have a much larger enrollment than freaking 350 students on a teeny tiny campus. If I am not mistaken, several of the largest churches in America usually have a few of their own plainclothesmen in the building. Usually they are Subs though. Which more than likely these guys would be. They more than likey would just rotate a staff based on off days.



I am writing the subsequent few lines to give you the quantification of my opinion which will follow. I have a strong background in the subject at hand.

I am saying this as someone who is a pastor's son, has attended 12 churches, has been on youth group staff at 2 different churches and is now the Youth Pastor at a third, attended 5 Christian private schools in 3 different states(Alabama, SC, VA), and then 3 different Christian colleges in 3 different states(OK, OH, Tenn). All 7 of the various Christian Schools were incredibly strict except 1, and they were still fairly firm.


This is one of the most ridiculous fricking things I have ever heard of. Campus police for a Christian school of 350 students? This comes back to the wonderful church mentality in which EVERY SINGLE SIN MUST SOMEHOW BE frickING LEGISLATED AS AGAINST THE LAW. It is their campus, so their decision, I just think it is a terrible one. It will have a horridly chilling affect on student moral, enrollment, and church attendance(you know they will be watching for those dastardly unbelievers who show up with pot in their cars on a Sunday morning). This is a massive over-reaction to the bust. Kids do stupid crap, who knew? Real problem begins when adults go and act like this afterwards.

Stupidity, judgementalism, and lack of emotional control piss me off.
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 12:40 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98200 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:48 am to
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And the funny thing is, the kids there are all great kids from really good families.


That just means everybody's good at keeping up appearances and sweeping things under the rug.

And this church/school/whatever's insurance carrier is gonna love the idea of an untrained, presumably armed, staffer roaming around with the powers of arrest and authorized to use deadly force. As will the plaintiff's lawyer who gets to depose this "officer" and the people who hire him.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7653 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 12:51 am to
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most times when you try and shelter kids too much it backfires.


I have seen it more times than I care to think about it. When kids are mature enough to be ready for the next step in freedom & responsibility, and parents dont allow it, it sets development back. If you keep doing this time and time again there comes a day when suddenly they are no longer mature, have no clue how to make a decision, and life is an impossible task for them.

Or they get into the real world and it terrifies them so badly that it scars them for life. This one happens mostly with hyper fundamentalist Christians who pick and choose from Biblical morality laws of dress and conduct, while ignoring a myriad of other levitical laws within the same book, chapter, and passage.


I am so tired of the Americanized Church, and the parents it creates in so many instances.
I am also so tired of the way most secular parents raise their kids. Grown adults still mewling at the tit of their original well spring.

This fine night currently finds me a tad cynical regarding humanity.
This post was edited on 4/23/15 at 12:54 am
Posted by LooseCannon22282
Mobile
Member since May 2008
33745 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:05 am to
i was thinking more about the part where they aren't really held accountable for their actions.

if we are going by the rules my school tried to enforce, half the kids don't graduate. Probably more.

here is another example of kids not being held accountable. A friend of mine who I played high school ball with got beaten up real bad out on the golf course in West Mobile. Now, at the time none of these kids were in high school but they were all 19 or 20 years old.

had these dudes beat on him for maybe even 2 more minutes he probably would have died. He did get a huge settlement in court but the point is those gutless turds never did any real time for what they did.

they were some kids from west mobile who went to a different private school, St. Paul's I think.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
55680 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:05 am to
i'm so glad i wasn't raised in a hardcore southern baptist home.

that's no way to live.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7653 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:16 am to
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hardcore southern baptist home.


While I have major issues with Calvinism. They arent the worst, not by far.

Conservative Holiness Denominations such as Bible Missionary, Bible Methodist, Bible Holiness...etc. are incredibly hypocritical with what they teach in regards to social issues as sin vs what they teach on fundamentalism and judgmentalism. There is an entire conference of small denominations like those 3, who all believe similarly.

And I prescribe to the Holiness/Weslyan belief system for the record, it saddens me to see Wesley's name mentioned in the same breath as their ilk.
Posted by athenslife101
Member since Feb 2013
18575 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 1:22 am to
Went to a very small private school. They didn't give a crap about questionable morals because well, money. They did care about defacement of school property though so my senior year, they hired security guards at night. Our senior prank was epic.
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
48769 posts
Posted on 4/23/15 at 4:16 am to
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If you were caught drinking at a party on the weekends, if someone saw you smoking a cigarette at the mall, if they found out you had sex, you were instantly expelled


Religion of forgiveness.
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