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re: Mass shooting on Vegas Strip discussion
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:50 am to Tyga Woods
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:50 am to Tyga Woods
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I think he was smart enough to know he wasn't going to make it out of his room that night
True!
But if you think about it, if he would have actually shot and got out the room before anyone arrived it would not have been hard to just run for your life and act scared at that point nobody would have knew anything! But the thing is is how would you know when it is time to get up and do that
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Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:51 am to The Pirate King
Those guys have been so evasive and lied when answering direct questions, idk if I believe what they say
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:52 am to SwampBandit
quote:True, seems like if he really wanted to escape, he got a little too much zeal in firing off as many rounds as he did.
But if you think about it, if he would have actually shot and got out the room before anyone arrived it would not have been hard to just run for your life and act scared at that point nobody would have knew anything! But the thing is is how would you know when it is time to get up and do that
Maybe 2-3 in the span of a couple of minutes, then like you said, just walk out to the casino like any other person there or if there is a panic, just follow the crowd.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:52 am to Hammertime
quote:I wonder if part of his escape was to leave the MDB and then go explode his car either from inside it or near it. To shoot the vehicle from the hotel room seems like a longshot.
How was he gonna shoot into a closed car and hit a jug of tannerite?
Some aspects were planned well, but others weren't whatsoever
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:55 am to SwampBandit
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But if you think about it, if he would have actually shot and got out the room before anyone arrived it would not have been hard to just run for your life and act scared at that point nobody would have knew anything! But the thing is is how would you know when it is time to get up and do that
Well, he checked into the room using his name and personal info. You think the biggest manhunt in U.S. history would not have been able to catch him.
The dude wasn't stupid. He knew his life was over. He was possibly planning to move to another area to continue the carnage. No way do I believe he legitimately thought he would escape and get away with this.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:56 am to Hammertime
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How was he gonna shoot into a closed car and hit a jug of tannerite?
If you put tannerite in the back of a car, do you not think if it is in shooting distance and you cut loose a 30 round mag into the trunk that the bullets wont breach the thin arse sheet metal these cars are made out of these days! It isnt hard. Out of thirty rounds shooting in the general area the chances arent that slim with the amount of tannerite he had,
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:57 am to Festus
quote:I agree. I think his plan to escape his hotel room was just to move to phase 2.
The dude wasn't stupid. He knew his life was over. He was possibly planning to move to another area to continue the carnage. No way do I believe he legitimately thought he would escape and get away with this.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:57 am to shel311
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True, seems like if he really wanted to escape, he got a little too much zeal in firing off as many rounds as he did. Maybe 2-3 in the span of a couple of minutes, then like you said, just walk out to the casino like any other person there or if there is a panic, just follow the crowd.
If he was going to do that he wasted a lot of effort hauling all that armament up to the hotel room, I think his plan was just haphazard at best, there seems to be no evidence of the "meticulously detailed planning" that people were talking a couple of days ago.
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 9:58 am
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:57 am to Festus
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The dude wasn't stupid. He knew his life was over. He was possibly planning to move to another area to continue the carnage. No way do I believe he legitimately thought he would escape and get away with this.
I agree but think about the panic, he could have got out of there if he left early enough, the security and so on i dont think had a facial identity on the guy before reaching his room
Posted on 10/6/17 at 9:58 am to Tiger in NY
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:00 am to The Mick
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I wonder if part of his escape was to leave the MDB and then go explode his car either from inside it or near it. To shoot the vehicle from the hotel room seems like a longshot.
Possible, but nobody will ever know because yes it would have been hard to escape but definitely possible and shooting the vehicle from his hotel all depends on the location of his vehicle compared to his nest!
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:01 am to SwampBandit
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Lombardo said a note with numbers written on it was found in Paddock's room, according to the New York Times. Authorities are trying to analyze its meaning, but Lombardo didn't elaborate on whether they are significant or not.
It would be interesting to know what these numbers are for or mean. The valium definitely could be a huge reason for his psychotic breakout
maybe he ranged a few points and wrote down the yardage?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:01 am to Hammertime
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Why didn't they say, "We found a note with random numbers on it" the first day? Either it didn't have random numbers on it, or they weren't random numbers
They probably didnt want to say at the time because they didnt know. Could be random, could be offshore bank accts, who knows?
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:07 am to SwampBandit
5.56? Now I haven't shot a lot of 5.56 at cars (actually zero), but I don't think they'd carry enough energy to make tannerite go boom once they made it through the shell of the vehicle. You can't just throw a rock at it. You can't even shoot it with a pellet gun.
Maybe he hadn't used tannerite before? You can get the shite at Academy, and he had property to check it out
Maybe he hadn't used tannerite before? You can get the shite at Academy, and he had property to check it out
This post was edited on 10/6/17 at 10:08 am
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:07 am to SwampBandit
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agree but think about the panic, he could have got out of there if he left early enough, the security and so on i dont think had a facial identity on the guy before reaching his room
He would have gotten out of his room, maybe. But with technology today? SWAT would have been in that room within minutes, ID'd the shooter via his check in information, dispatched his picture and info to every LEO in the country, and waited for their perimeter LEO, which I imagine was quite wide to ensure he didn't escape, to get him.
Sure, he gets out his room. But I doubt he makes it out of a 1-2 mile radius. And even if he pulls that off, he doesn't make it out of the city, ever.
And you know the shooter knew this. If he was going to do the shoot and escape, he would have done 1 short shooting volley, and then hauled arse before anyone even realized what had happened. That might have worked getting him outside of the perimeter. But shooting for 10-15 minutes? He had no intention of an escape. Just moving to another strategic area.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:08 am to SwampBandit
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yes it would have been hard to escape but definitely possible
:sigh:
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:10 am to Festus
He had most of the shooting aspect down, but not all of it. He didn't have anything else put together, which is odd because he has evidently been planning it for a long time and he was a very calculated gambler
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:11 am to Festus
quote:Pretty sure it took SWAT almost an hour to get to the room. There's a heck of a lot that goes into it.
He would have gotten out of his room, maybe. But with technology today? SWAT would have been in that room within minutes
He could have fired a couple of rounds and been downstairs in less than probably 5 minutes, which IMO no one at ground level likely would have had a clue he was the shooter if he walked right by them.
quote:It was pure chaos, I don't see how you can think that.
Sure, he gets out his room. But I doubt he makes it out of a 1-2 mile radius.
quote:Ok wait, maybe we do agree after all.
If he was going to do the shoot and escape, he would have done 1 short shooting volley, and then hauled arse before anyone even realized what had happened. That might have worked getting him outside of the perimeter.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:12 am to Hammertime
if he had planned an escape, i mean, all he would have needed would be 2-4 rifles in the room with thousand or so rounds.... and you move quickly to plan b. this dude was stocked in the room... I dunno... sounds like a big ole dummy to me.
Posted on 10/6/17 at 10:14 am to Hammertime
I think he did a pretty impressive job of planning. Hell, he killed 58 and wounded $400+, and pulled off the worst mass shooting in history. But I don't think one can ever plan for every single variable in something this big. And I think some things didn't play out as he expected. I imagine though, that his plan all along, was to maximize carnage, then kill himself before getting taken into custody. No way was he going to get taken in. And no way did he think he was going to escape, in my opinion.
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