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Man shoots gf's ex-husband dead in custody dispute as "self-defense"
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:28 pm
Where's the OT on this as far as "self-defense"?
Video of incident inside
Video of incident inside
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On Friday, November 5, Lubbock Police found Chad Read, 54, dead at a home in the 2100 block of 90th street. Police say through the initial course of the investigation, it appears there was a fight between Read and another man related to a domestic incident, and shots were fired.
The mobile phone video, from a vehicle parked in front of the home, shows Chad Read and who appears to be Kyle Carruth arguing outside of the home on 90th Street. Carruth is holding a long-barreled gun. The argument escalates and Carruth fires a shot in the ground towards Read. Read gets more agitated and tries to take the gun. After physical contact with each other, wrestling with the gun, Carruth steps back and fires two shots. Before the shots were fired, the camera moves and video of the shooting is not caught on camera; however shots are audible. When the video pans back towards Read, he is lying motionless on the porch.
This post was edited on 11/25/21 at 2:33 pm
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Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:30 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:well there's a clumsy new phrase
affair partner
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:31 pm to tiggerthetooth
English mother fricker do you speak it?
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:32 pm to tiggerthetooth
Defiantly self-defense. Totally obvious.
Just sometimes, you don’t win.
Just sometimes, you don’t win.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:32 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Chad Read and who appears to be Kyle Carruth arguing outside of the home on 90th Street.
A ha!
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:34 pm to Bullfrog
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Defiantly self-defense. Totally obvious.
Just sometimes, you don’t win.
I don't see it necessarily. He came out yelling at him and shot him pretty quickly.
The Carruth guy really took things up a notch.
This post was edited on 11/25/21 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:34 pm to tiggerthetooth
the lady recording that seemed real chill about the dead guy
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:37 pm to OWLFAN86
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the lady recording that seemed real chill about the dead guy
Said she didn't realize it was a real gun at first. She just thought it was a paintball gun.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:38 pm to tiggerthetooth
Chad threatened to take gun and use it on Kyle, then tried to and failed. Kyle walks.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:47 pm to Bullfrog
quote:Can you really claim self defense if you fire off a warning shot which causes the guy to try to take the gun? Argument would be Read tried to take the gun in self defense after Carruth was the aggressor for firing a shot at him.
The argument escalates and Carruth fires a shot in the ground towards Read
Edit: rewatched and saw the Reed guy appeared to try to grab the gun first, but I still question if SD can be used if you fire a warning shot
This post was edited on 11/25/21 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:47 pm to SpotCheckBilly
quote:she dum
Said she didn't realize it was a real gun at first. She just thought it was a paintball gun.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:49 pm to tiggerthetooth
Ole boy could have just gone inside and called the police if he feared for his life.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:49 pm to tiggerthetooth
After mouthing off at one another Carruth went inside and got a firearm. He was not in any form of life-threatening danger (at least that I know of, Read could have a history of violence that could possibly negate that to me) so there was no need for the firearm. There wasn't any riot going on so police could have been called and had Read removed from the property.
The bottom line for me on this is that there was time and the ability to call the police to have Read removed from the property and Carruth was never in any sort of imminent life-threatening danger until he fired a shot at Read's feet.
Read did not attack Carruth until Carruth fired a shot at Read's feet and then it was just to try to take the firearm from him.
The bottom line for me on this is that there was time and the ability to call the police to have Read removed from the property and Carruth was never in any sort of imminent life-threatening danger until he fired a shot at Read's feet.
Read did not attack Carruth until Carruth fired a shot at Read's feet and then it was just to try to take the firearm from him.
This post was edited on 11/25/21 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:50 pm to tiggerthetooth
Was no need to bring the gun out unless there was some threat that I couldn't hear. Doesn't seem like self defense.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:56 pm to tiggerthetooth
Pretty damn plain: Chad fricked around and found out.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:57 pm to dupergreenie
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Was no need to bring the gun out unless there was some threat that I couldn't hear. Doesn't seem like self defense
The mere sight of the gun caused Chad to get in his face and try to get the gun from him.
100% self defense.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:59 pm to ducktale
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The mere sight of the gun caused Chad to get in his face and try to get the gun from him.
Because then he felt under threat. The Carruth guy escalated the situation beyond necessary. Even the ex-wife wasn't as afraid as Carruth. How is it that the ex-wife was perfectly fine being unarmed around him but big man Carruth came out with a big gun? Was there not an in between step for Carruth to take for a completely unarmed man? This also wasn't some stranger, it was a person known to the child that was at the residence.
This post was edited on 11/25/21 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 11/25/21 at 2:59 pm to tiggerthetooth
The actual physical contact began after a round was fired at a man's feet. If there is self defense, it was on the now dead guy. Most anyone would react without thinking to control a long gun barrel when that close and fired upon. JMO.
This post was edited on 11/25/21 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 11/25/21 at 3:00 pm to ducktale
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The mere sight of the gun caused Chad to get in his face and try to get the gun from him.
100% self defense.
But there was no need for the gun in the first place. He went inside.... where I'm sure he could have called the cops and brought the gun outside. Only threat I heard was taking them to court.
Now ole baw who got shot could have threatened beforehand.... but according to this video the shooter should go to jail.
Posted on 11/25/21 at 3:02 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Because then he felt under threat.
Seeing someone holding a gun is not grounds for you to feel threatened and take action, especially on someone else's property.
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