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re: Man gets life for killing 2 teens in Home Invasion
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:37 pm to HeavyCore
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:37 pm to HeavyCore
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In the vein of this case, because that is what is being discussed, murder. There was never any intent to harm from the children entering the premises.
No you misunderstood. In the vein of your home. Would it be murder or self defense to shoot an intruder until they stopped moving. I'm not going to call you names or be a dick. I just want to understand your definition of murder.
On a side note... It's not up to the victim of a home invasion to decipher the intent of the invader.
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Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:38 pm to HeavyCore
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I believe, that you are a victim of fear and intolerance. Fear has driven you to hate and immoral choices based on situations that rarely happen.
easy bub
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:40 pm to HeavyCore
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Stop talking to me like you know who I am. In fact, just stop talking to me. We have very different few points on this. I believe, that you are a victim of fear and intolerance. Fear has driven you to hate and immoral choices based on situations that rarely happen.
I did absolutely nothing but judge what you said, which indicated quite clearly that you wouldn't kill someone who entered your home because you had different ways of dealing with. I'm curious what different ways you have in your bag of tricks that's going to prevent you from being a victim in a you or your family versus them scenario besides you wishing it away.
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In the vein of this case, because that is what is being discussed, murder. There was never any intent to harm from the children entering the premises.
If only intruders sent a memo out before hand as to their intentions so we all knew what they were up to first.
Maybe we should get to know them first, maybe invite them over first.
You don't live in the real world, and that is why you're a victim.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:40 pm to LT
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Would it be murder or self defense to shoot an intruder until they stopped moving
Well if you are going to shoot someone breaking into your home, it's usually wise to make sure they are dead. Dead thief's can't testify against you in court
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:42 pm to REG861
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If that was the only moral of this story, the shooter wouldn't be going away for life.
Let me clarify why I agreed with this statement. If these two individuals had not broken into this mans house, they would probably be here today and there would be no story. Was it wrong the way he handled this? Yes, of course it was. He could have done a few things differently that may have kept these two from being killed and still POSSIBLY had justice served (arrest, jail, whatever).
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:43 pm to LT
It isn't the deaths that are the issue. It is the fact that he shot them, paused, realized they were no longer threats, and then executed them.
Once he realized they were no longer threats, shooting them is no longer an act of self defense.
Once he realized they were no longer threats, shooting them is no longer an act of self defense.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:43 pm to LT
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No you misunderstood. In the vein of your home. Would it be murder or self defense to shoot an intruder until they stopped moving.
If it was in my house no shots would have been fired. I haven't fired a gun since I left the military. I have no fire arm in my house. Now, if I was being repeatedly burglarized I would take other steps to incapacitate an assailant. Tasers work mighty well, as does a baseball bat, or golf club. A series of booby traps that paralyze work just as well as one that kills.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:43 pm to Ed Osteen
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Well if you are going to shoot someone breaking into your home, it's usually wise to make sure they are dead. Dead thief's can't testify against you in court
Yea, cause that strategy really worked out for the guy in this case
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:45 pm to HeavyCore
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There was never any intent to harm from the children entering the premises.
Thats a complete bullshite assumption.
Statistically speaking people that break in to your house have the intent to harm you.
What this old guy did was wrong, no doubt, but if two 16 yr olds broke in to my house in the middle of the night they'd meet he business end of some sort of weapon I have.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:45 pm to REG861
Were the kids breaking into homes around the neighborhood? He obviously knew they would...... Drugs? Boredom?
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:46 pm to REG861
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Yea, cause that strategy really worked out for the guy in this case
Strategy? I don't have a strategy for someone breaking into my house other than the shotgun under my bed. Did you read this thread or just jump in to post that?
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:47 pm to HeavyCore
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If it was in my house no shots would have been fired. I haven't fired a gun since I left the military. I have no fire arm in my house. Now, if I was being repeatedly burglarized I would take other steps to incapacitate an assailant. Tasers work mighty well, as does a baseball bat, or golf club. A series of booby traps that paralyze work just as well as one that kills.
Hey, maybe you could pull a Mr. Brady and whip out your pitching wedge. Make sure you warn them by yelling four first. Want to be fair about it and all.
You are out of your mind, but the good news is, I'm not depending on you to keep me safe from harm. My condolences to anyone else looking to your protection.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:48 pm to Scruffy
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It isn't the deaths that are the issue. It is the fact that he shot them, paused, realized they were no longer threats, and then executed them.
THIS. As well as dragging them to another room in tarps and waiting until the next day to alert the authorites.
Scruffy, it's amazing how many people can't comprehend the difference between this story and protecting yourself/family from a break in.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:48 pm to HeavyCore
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A series of booby traps that paralyze work just as well as one that kills.
Might wanna bring yourself back to the real world there bub...this isn't Home Alone, and people dont have paint cans strung up on trip wires.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:49 pm to HeavyCore
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I would take other steps to incapacitate an assailant. Tasers work mighty well, as does a baseball bat, or golf club. A series of booby traps that paralyze work just as well as one that kills.
Are you Inspector Gadget?
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:51 pm to brass2mouth
Yeah, because alarms are hard as frick to make. You do know that playing on the sense of hearing can be directional and used as an effective weapon and deterrent right?
This post was edited on 4/29/14 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:52 pm to HeavyCore
How do you personally use your sense of hearing as a weapon?
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:53 pm to Emiliooo
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I'm all for defending your home, these kids were stupid for breaking into this guy's house. But the way he went about defending it is royally fricked up.
I agree this guy is a sadistic nut but I don't see how he broke the law.
The law should precede emotions.
He simply hid his truck and established an ambush position believing his home would be broken into. It was. He killed them.
No law broken.
He's going to jail because he seemed to enjoy it. Enjoying a lawful act most people would find traumatic does not make a lawful act a criminal act.
Posted on 4/29/14 at 7:54 pm to Ed Osteen
quote:Makes no sense. Shooting someone is self defense is fine, but this wasn't self defense. He executed these individuals.
Scruffy, it's amazing how many people can't comprehend the difference between this story and protecting yourself/family from a break in.
Now, that doesn't negate the wrongful act of breaking in, but the break in does not give a person the right to do what he did.
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