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re: Legislative session starts April 13. People who love LSU need to pay attention.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:53 pm to Commandeaux
Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:53 pm to Commandeaux
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e in Central. My wife and I have been married for 8 years. We decided after we got married that we dont want kids. About 5 years ago, Central proposed a $54 million tax increase to pay for their schools. My wife and I voted for it even though we will never have kids. New schools in Central will benefit everyone living in Central. Having schools that a lot of people want to send their kids means more people who want to live in Central which increases my property value. So everyone wins in the end. But you're too dumb to see the end result.
You should be able to donate a large chunk of money to LSU every year due to your decision not to contribute to the pool of people who will keep this state afloat in the future.
You make a decision not to procreate and then sit on a high and mighty chair about other people not being able to see the big picture.
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Posted on 3/31/15 at 12:56 pm to uway
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You should be able to donate a large chunk of money to LSU every year due to your decision not to contribute to the pool of people who will keep this state afloat in the future.
You make a decision not to procreate and then sit on a high and mighty chair about other people not being able to see the big picture.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:09 pm to SmokeyB
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If you made it to LSU and you can't read and write, someone in admissions isn't doing their job.
My point being, LSU is a university. Universities are meant to further your education, not necessarily to learn job skills. When these threads come up, people always say "Just remove the English and Liberal Arts departments", and those are the kinds of programs universities were made to teach. The university exists to educate people who are willing to sacrifice the time and money to learn.
It's great that we have successful engineering, business, and architecture programs, but if you're looking at universities solely as a place to get job training, you're in the wrong place. If you want job skills, go to a community college or votech school.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:14 pm to wadewilson
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My point being, LSU is a university. Universities are meant to further your education, not necessarily to learn job skills. When these threads come up, people always say "Just remove the English and Liberal Arts departments", and those are the kinds of programs universities were made to teach. The university exists to educate people who are willing to sacrifice the time and money to learn.
It's great that we have successful engineering, business, and architecture programs, but if you're looking at universities solely as a place to get job training, you're in the wrong place. If you want job skills, go to a community college or votech school.
I agree with that. But at the same time if you don't see a return on investment, then it really isn't worth going. That doesn't necessarily have to be monetary either. Hell I have a History degree. If I could go back, would I get something that had better earning potential? Yeah.
The problem with the Liberal Arts as it pertains to getting a good job after attending college is that you don't have many people who graduated in those fields in leadership positions, sure they exist, but you'll find many more business and engineering majors at the upper echelons of management.
It is also that the Colleges of Liberal Arts don't put the emphasis on networking that Business and Engineering do. That is the number one most important thing any student can do. After all, it's not what you know, it's who you know.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:17 pm to Mung
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Mung
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copying Scott McKay?
It's factual information from his article, yes. Do you doubt its veracity?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:17 pm to SmokeyB
I tire very easily of universities crying about budget cuts. The massive growth in do-nothing administrators over the past two decades is a result of the glut of money that has been filtered into the university system. When they start cutting some of these jobs, then we can start to have an actual conversation about university budgets and support.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:18 pm to saderade
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What does the state spend in TOPS scholarships per year? Should we make it harder to attain and/or make the recipient pay back the money if they fall under the requirements?
It is 2.5 GPA and a 20 on the ACT for the lowest award.
TOPS needs to be revamped. However it is decided that it could be done. I have heard numerous ways, raising requirements, make dropouts pay it back with interest, etc.
TOPS, as it is today, helps a lot of kids get into college who have no business being in college. At the same time it has helps some kids who wouldn't have otherwise been able to go. As it stands in today's competitive world, the standards definitely need to be raised on it.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:18 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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TOPS needs to be reformed in a number of ways. So much revenue lost and people seem to have no idea how unique this program is. Obviously raise standards and tie it to remaining in state. Many ways to do it. It's ridiculous to give people free rides under a program intended to keep people in Louisiana, only to have them up and leave upon graduation. That's a terrible ROI for the state to educate that many for free only to have them not contribute after.
TOPS needs to be reformed so that it has different levels of scholarships. It should be a 27 and 3.25 min for a free ride, 25 and 3.0 for 23 for a 50% scholarship, and it should also cover 100% of the tuition for community college is you have a 2.5 or better. That way we have a route for students to go get an AD or certificate and get a job or prove they are academcally ready for a 4 year school. In which case, they can get a 100% scholarship if they maintaint >3.5 for 45 hours in a CC or 50% if they maintain >3.0 for 45 hours in a CC.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:21 pm to Bayou Sam
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Louisianians congrats--you deserve your flagshit university.
Right, because obviously if we throw more money at it it'll make it all better, right? Schools should be completely exempt from any type of oversight, or competition, because flagship?
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:22 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I tire very easily of universities crying about budget cuts. The massive growth in do-nothing administrators over the past two decades is a result of the glut of money that has been filtered into the university system. When they start cutting some of these jobs, then we can start to have an actual conversation about university budgets and support.
I think we can all agree on this. The problem with it is there is always a University somewhere who will pay an outrageous amount for administrators. Therefore, to remain competitive with Universities across the country in hiring, you have to accept that.
You also don't want to have a Chancellor or President who is going to be wining and dining your filthy rich alumni to be making pennies. That's a quick way to have the alumni not take you seriously and take their money elsewhere.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:27 pm to Neako27blitzz
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Just curious - when did you attend LSU?
Graduated in 07.
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Because this is a very accurate description of the ME department as well, except I didn't get to experience the "real educators." Apparently they had already been kicked to the curb.
I started off in ME before switching to CM. It was, IMHO, a bad deal for the COE in general.
I took computer science from a guy that one class sent someone from Animal Sciences to the classroom to inform us that class was cancelled 15 mins after it started because he was in the middle of a research project.
Why Animal Sciences you ask? Because they're the first dept listed in the LSU directory.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:28 pm to SmokeyB
Well, if you want to do anything with those degrees, you generally need grad school.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:28 pm to SmokeyB
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You also don't want to have a Chancellor or President who is going to be wining and dining your filthy rich alumni to be making pennies. That's a quick way to have the alumni not take you seriously and take their money elsewhere.
If you think the bureaucratic apparatus consists only of a Chancellor or President, I've got news for you. I'm fine with paying top dollar for those.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:29 pm to Commandeaux
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The next governor has to bring revenue increases to the table.
We could start by reforming the film subsidies. Half a billion dollars would be pretty handy right now.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:29 pm to Slippy
Only thing I've heard that cancelled LSU football was yellow fever in the late 1890's.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:44 pm to wadewilson
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Well, if you want to do anything with those degrees, you generally need grad school.
And the grad schools that a lot of people go to after liberal arts (JD, MBA) DO have a lot of networking opportunities.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:45 pm to Mo Jeaux
So let me flesh out a vein of thought I am seeing here...
State governments should not be in the higher education business. People who do not utilize colleges and universities should not be required to pay for them.
So make LSU a private university then?
Look, I get that waste should be dealt with. I'm all for that. But not at the expense of having a world class university. I don't want the Southwest Airlines of colleges.
In Louisiana the entire system is too large, and resources are spread too thin among too many schools. But because of POLITICS, nothing will ever be done to kill off any of the piglets at the teat.
State governments should not be in the higher education business. People who do not utilize colleges and universities should not be required to pay for them.
So make LSU a private university then?
Look, I get that waste should be dealt with. I'm all for that. But not at the expense of having a world class university. I don't want the Southwest Airlines of colleges.
In Louisiana the entire system is too large, and resources are spread too thin among too many schools. But because of POLITICS, nothing will ever be done to kill off any of the piglets at the teat.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:46 pm to Mo Jeaux
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If you think the bureaucratic apparatus consists only of a Chancellor or President, I've got news for you. I'm fine with paying top dollar for those.
It most definitely doesn't. I didn't know how far up you were referencing. I also have no problem paying top dollar for a highly esteemed Dean. It's positions like "VC of Diversity". WTF is that? "I'm here to make sure everyone here isn't white" and I make 6 figures. That's BS.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:56 pm to Slippy
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So let me flesh out a vein of thought I am seeing here...
State governments should not be in the higher education business. People who do not utilize colleges and universities should not be required to pay for them.
So make LSU a private university then?
Look, I get that waste should be dealt with. I'm all for that. But not at the expense of having a world class university. I don't want the Southwest Airlines of colleges.
In Louisiana the entire system is too large, and resources are spread too thin among too many schools. But because of POLITICS, nothing will ever be done to kill off any of the piglets at the teat.
Everyone knows this is the problem. It's the 800lb gorilla in the room that noone wants to bring up. I am from Alexandria and if you even mention shuttering LSUA to save money for the entire system, you will have committed political suicide.
Truth be told, each piece of the LSU and UL system is a boon to their respective community and noone will vote for consolidating, even if it would be the best thing for all the University Systems, as well as the State as a whole.
We need less Universities, more Community Colleges and maybe *MAYBE* one more private college (to add to Centenary, LC, Tulane, Loyola, Xavier & Dillard)
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 3/31/15 at 1:59 pm to Slippy
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So make LSU a private university then?
Hear me out. The costs of colleges continue to skyrocket, far outpacing the salaries of college graduates. The college industry has become nothing but a government subsidized cash cow. With federally insured student loans, programs like TOPS, etc, what incentive does a school have to be thrifty or truly worry about competition? Do you think SUNO gives two shits about their image? Arent like 90% of the students there on Pell Grants?
So, if we were to tell colleges "Prove your worth", how many would survive? If the demographics don't support it, why should it exist? The government is not required to provide the public with baccalaureate education. Businesses in general have completely taken advantage of this and stopped any kind of training programs, expecting college to do that for them.
Look, I know this nuclear option will never happen, and its all for the sake of argument. But IMHO, collegiate opportunities should mirror the demographics they serve. If LSU wants to make itself a Tier 1 school, then they should charge the tuition necessary to do so. If the demographics in the state/region don't support that choice, LSU will have to adapt or die.
What government entity has ever had all its problems solved by just giving it more money?
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