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If contractor digs and breaks work another contractor has done, who is responsible?

Posted on 5/31/23 at 12:35 am
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
9900 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 12:35 am
My electrician was digging in ground to hook up permanent power line in ground and hit my field drain pipe. Got my bill today and on the bill was for service of my plumber to fix field drain adddd to my bill from electrician.
I wasn’t home when it was done and was never asked where piping was .
Posted by Meauxjeaux
98836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 1:59 am to
Electrician needs to eat that
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
Member since May 2022
2880 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 2:11 am to
Did he have a way of knowing it was there?
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
9900 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 3:16 am to
No, he didn’t . No 811 was called either. I wasn’t there when he did it either.
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10174 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 3:32 am to
Did you sign a contract? If so, you better read it, if not I wouldn't pay the repair work.
Posted by Walkerdog14
Member since Dec 2014
1213 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 3:59 am to
811 call won’t cover anything on the home side of the public R.O.W. But the electrician should be responsible for that.
Posted by 225Tyga
Member since Oct 2013
15784 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 4:11 am to
1) depends what the contract says

2) depends on if the field drain pipe was installed in the correct location and if it’s shown in the drawings

3) depends on if the electrical contractor had access to all below grade drawings depicting potential interferences

But since this was just a home gig there probably wasn’t a good contract that governs this situation, probably no drawings and y’all are probably going to be arguing over $1500-$2000 at most
Posted by VAvolfan
Member since Feb 2010
2326 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 4:25 am to
If he put a concealed conditions clause in the contractor you’ll more than likely have to eat it. Drains typically don’t show up on a utility locate and contractors can’t see underground
This post was edited on 5/31/23 at 4:26 am
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
20429 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 4:58 am to
Why was he digging so hard he broke it? I’m also confused on what he was doing? Was this a new build? What was he trying to hook up underground?
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29377 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 5:34 am to
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No 811 was called eithe

811 wouldn’t have marked that.

But the correct answer is the electrician will eat that. There’s no other answer. It’s absurd he would even argue. Call the state license board and file a complaint.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
119095 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 5:39 am to
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811 wouldn’t have marked that.


Yep, only public utilities, not things specific to the house.

I tried to document all the items in my yard that the builder did, including pictures as best I could so I would know where everything was.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
11803 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 5:41 am to
811 only works for municipal side of utilities. Not for private side of utilities.

Power to the meter. Anything after that is private
Water to the meter. Anything after that is private
Sewer stub up from main “aka house connection” everything after that is private

Regardless, contractor damaging line is responsible for repairs
Posted by 225Tyga
Member since Oct 2013
15784 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:06 am to
quote:

1) depends what the contract says 2) depends on if the field drain pipe was installed in the correct location and if it’s shown in the drawings 3) depends on if the electrical contractor had access to all below grade drawings depicting potential interferences But since this was just a home gig there probably wasn’t a good contract that governs this situation, probably no drawings and y’all are probably going to be arguing over $1500-$2000 at most


This is the only correct response
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29377 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:12 am to
Contractors are stupid sometimes.

Years ago when I was working for a commercial GC I had a little concrete company my boss loved. The guy did shoddy work on anything aside from sidewalks. Had him pour a 6’ elevated handicapped ramp. His forms gave out on the vertical wall and the top was about 3’ wider than the bottom. Looked like shite. Had to tear it all out and redo it.

Dude sends me a bill for both pours. I called him and told him I wasn’t paying the first invoice because he screwed it up and I had to have it redone.

He tells me “You pay me to pour concrete. I poured concrete.” I told him “No, I pay you to pour concrete correctly. You only did that once.”

The nerve of people right? Dude hounded me for months and then stopped. Never filed suit. We had a contract and we had a worksmanship clause in it. I knew we were clean. I paid him for the second pour and deducted the extra concrete I had to buy out of his payment. But that was one of those that’s always stuck with me.
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
17681 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:16 am to
Call before you dig baw if that didn’t happen they pay problem is every swinging dick involved can be unscrupulous and lien your property lawyer up
Posted by AirbusDawg
Milton, Ga
Member since Jan 2018
2304 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 6:20 am to
If you didn't tell him where drain field was, how was he supposed to know? I mean if he hit your irrigation lines, would you expect him to fix those as well?
Posted by Dixie2023
Member since Mar 2023
1420 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 7:23 am to
How do you determine where things are underground on your property? Behind my fence I don’t where where gas lines or plumbing pipes might be bc I’ve never had to look.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
136798 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 7:31 am to
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How do you determine where things are underground on your property?


By using what is called a T-Probe and either a hammer or a mallet. You pound a metal stick into the ground to see if you get any resistance. Very inexpensive and quick to do in shallow soils.

Simply put, the electrical contractor cut a corner.
This post was edited on 5/31/23 at 7:32 am
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
124070 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 7:40 am to
quote:

How do you determine where things are underground on your property?



Hire a locator. If it's metal, you can put a tone on it and trace it. If it's PVC, Terra cotta or something else, might have to pothole.

Good to take pics when they put stuff in as a reference tool.
Posted by ourkansastigah
behind enemy lines
Member since Feb 2015
342 posts
Posted on 5/31/23 at 7:47 am to
811 Will not locate sewer as its not able to be located with the equipment they carry, also by digging without locates in any regards by law he is in wrong. secondly if the pipe was not damaged upon his arrival but was damaged upon his leaving then you have him by the nuts to do as you please. Its only a question of how far he wants to take it before he bends the knee.
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