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Posted on 1/2/17 at 1:45 pm to
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 1:45 pm to
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Not exactly true. The builder could have used a smaller diameter rebar, and less concrete to cut cost. OP needs to verify his shallow foundation is the same as his home before investing into an addition.

I'm gonna go ahead and say no here. Have you ever formed a slab? You really think a guy is gonna change the grade beam design on the perimeter of a house slab to save a couple hundred bucks?? If the garage is under roof, then that perimeter grade beam on the exterior wall is load bearing and just as integral as the one on the other end of the house. The slab can be 4" or 40", the grade beams are what carry the load.

Builder would save more money ensuring the amigos dig the beams properly at the correct slope and dimensions and cutting waste than trying the premise in your post.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 1:46 pm to
Civil Engineer here. Specialize in foundations.

ETA:

I have seen a grading contractor only condition soil directly under a house to save money. Never underestimate the extent builders will go to increase profits
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 1:50 pm
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 1:54 pm to
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Ive seen contractors skimp in areas you wouldn't believe. Went to a house the other week and the guys had 2" of concrete in some areas of the slab with 12" exterior footings. Those should have been 16". Contractor had no idea when it was pointed out to him. It wasn't intentional on his part, but the Mexicans hauling arse through the forming process, and they don't care if it's correct of not

If the house was built in the last 10 years it had a form and rebar inspection. You ain't skimming on grade beam thickness.

Getting a slab scanned and/or cored is expensive. Your slab doesn't matter, it's not carrying any load except the live load you are actually putting on it (like your car). Only way you need be concerned is if the slab is post tensioned, which isn't very common in residential but does exist. That information should have been made available in your inspection prior to purchase.

Seriously OP, you're probably good here. You can have a contractor come in and give you an estimate, just make sure they're licensed properly.
Posted by Lee Chatelain
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 2:13 pm to
Vertical Construction!
Posted by BoostAddict
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 2:50 pm to
And honestly... IMO it ain't that big a deal on residential construction. I stamp these type of additions all the time without any sort of verification of the size of the rebar or grade beam. It's typically cost prohibitive to the owner. If there aren't any settlement issues on the house (or sometimes in the neighborhood) I'm generally good with it.
Posted by SATNIGHTS
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 2:51 pm to
According to my drawings:

2'12" Ceiling Joists ; 16" oc

I cannot find a drawing of a side view of the foundation.
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 6:44 pm to
16" studs on center is fine. Go with advantec subflooring and insulate. I'd insulate garage doors and subflooring as well.

Foam everything. Trust me. Its small, but tricky space to properly heat and cool
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:11 pm to
quote:

Ive seen contractors skimp in areas you wouldn't believe. Went to a house the other week and the guys had 2" of concrete in some areas of the slab with 12" exterior footings. Those should have been 16". Contractor had no idea when


This would have/should have been caught by building inspector. I agree if it happened it wasn't intentional. The risk doesn't justify the reward.
Posted by elprez00
Hammond, LA
Member since Sep 2011
29377 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:15 pm to
quote:

2'12" Ceiling Joists ; 16" oc

Roll with it. You should be more than good here.

Like others have said, foam everything.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:36 pm to
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This would have/should have been caught by building inspector


I have had two inspectors on two different projects approve work on my house without even looking at it. When I questioned them they both said they knew the contractors and the work was done correctly.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20883 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:39 pm to
quote:

According to my drawings:

2'12" Ceiling Joists ; 16" oc

I cannot find a drawing of a side view of the foundation.



What is your proposed width of the new attic space?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20883 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:42 pm to
quote:

And honestly... IMO it ain't that big a deal on residential construction. I stamp these type of additions all the time without any sort of verification of the size of the rebar or grade beam. It's typically cost prohibitive to the owner. If there aren't any settlement issues on the house (or sometimes in the neighborhood) I'm generally good with it.


What sort of bearing pressures do you typically assume? I assume there's no soil borings/geotechnical reports typically done for you.

At least in the NYS/NYC Building code there's a presumed bearing capacity based on the soil in situ, but you need a soil boring to verify that.
Posted by SATNIGHTS
Red Stick
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:44 pm to
I need to get up there and measure but given the pitch of the roof maybe 10-15' wide.
Posted by Aristo
Colorado
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:46 pm to
When we poured the slab for my garage the inspector had to take and submit pictures.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:49 pm to
If it's bigger than that I would look into sistering the 2x12's, or making them at 8" on center instead.
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:50 pm to
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Homes are going from $160-$170 soft in my hood, so I figure if I can come in under that I am in the black.


It won't be part of your livable area. It is an upward adjustment, but each sqft you add will not add $160/ft of value. Hard to tell what the actual adjustment would be, I am just saying don't count on it adding to your value at the market rate.
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
2986 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:53 pm to
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If it's bigger than that I would look into sistering the 2x12's, or making them at 8" on center instead.



Agreed... that will work.

quote:

What sort of bearing pressures do you typically assume? I assume there's no soil borings/geotechnical reports typically done for you.

I usually assume 1500psf. But the minimum code required grade beams are almost always more than adequate for residential construction.
This post was edited on 1/2/17 at 8:02 pm
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
48836 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 7:58 pm to
I think my wife must have a bunch of alters and is posting in this thread because she knows fricking everything too.

OP I could have built out my attic for the time this post has been up. Forget the concrete unless you are going to park cars up there too. Maybe add a few more ceiling joist, fur out as needed to make the rock work out and go. If tight for space find a nice spiral staircase. I hate them but they are compact.
Posted by BoostAddict
Member since Jun 2007
2986 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:18 pm to
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I think my wife must have a bunch of alters and is posting in this thread because she knows fricking everything too.



Dude... I've seen you talk out of your arse for years on construction threads. Most of the time it's half arse, half true, or straight up bullshite.
Posted by whit
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
10998 posts
Posted on 1/2/17 at 8:44 pm to
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Dude... I've seen you talk out of your arse for years on construction threads. Most of the time it's half arse, half true, or straight up bullshite.

most of the OT.
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