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re: Has any official said “we ain’t found no motive yet” regarding Vegas?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:51 am to tigerfootball10
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:51 am to tigerfootball10
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The first few stories were proven false.
Meh.
Some of the timelines and a few minor details were proven false.
It's not like they have changed the whole chain of events and who did it and why.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:52 am to notiger1997
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Because that's not a cool story. There has to be some isis, CIA, Hollywood, NWO, elites, trump massive global conspiracy
That's disingenuous and you know it. We have the most extensive and expansive law enforcement apparatus in world history. Our technology allows us to do things that would have boggled minds 2 decades ago. We're talking about the largest mass shooting in American history, news coverage has vanished and law enforcement still says they don't have a motive. Do you honestly find it hard to believe that the same government who lied about Vietnam, WMD's and NSA spying programs isn't being straight with the American public?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:00 am to tigerfootball10
quote:Are you a Vegas Shooter truther?
They are still working on their story. The first few stories were proven false. They are hoping people just forget at this point.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:03 am to SCLibertarian
quote:
That's disingenuous and you know it. We have the most extensive and expansive law enforcement apparatus in world history. Our technology allows us to do things that would have boggled minds 2 decades ago. We're talking about the largest mass shooting in American history, news coverage has vanished and law enforcement still says they don't have a motive. Do you honestly find it hard to believe that the same government who lied about Vietnam, WMD's and NSA spying programs isn't being straight with the American public?
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:05 am to baybeefeetz
He had on loafers. Aint nobody doing some tactical shite in loafers.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:24 am to baybeefeetz
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Or are they just not saying anything one way or the other yet?
They aren't saying, but the current "official" narrative is that they have not found one as of now.
But there have been multiple piece of information they either change, refuse to talk about, or previously said and now refuse to talk about.
Either it's the worst run investigation I've ever seen, or they are hiding something they don't want the public to know, both options coming to you courtesy of the FBI.
I'm leaning towards the second one. I firmly believe they know the motive, but aren't releasing it for some unknown reason.
Mainly because of 1 exchange between a reporter, Sheriff Lombardo, and a FBI agent at the press conference on Monday, Oct 11th. And 2 major discrepancies in the official narrative
When a reporter asked Lombardo how many cell phones Paddock had, he didn't know the answer and turned to an FBI agent in the room and repeated the question. To which the agent said "I don't believe it's prudent we give out that information". Then Lombardo turned to the reporter and said, "I don't know how many devices he had".
It was asked because Paddock's brother had stated Paddock always carried 2 cell phones from 2 different carriers in case 1 of them lost signal he could still make a call when needed.
If Paddock a loaner who only gambled and took cruises, does it matter if the public knows how many cell phones he had? It's a very innocuous question, it's strange that it wouldn't be "prudent" to simply answer it with a number.
Also, since the FBI and Sheriff's dept have both stated Paddock was a loaner who barely talked to his own family, had no friends, didnt work, and no longer had any rental properties. So why does he need 2 cell phones? What conversations were so important he had to have a backup phone to make sure they occurred?
This also makes it obvious the FBI are the ones handling the investigation, and they only give out information to LVMPD and the Sheriff as warranted.
Discrepancies
A) They claim Paddock fired 200 rounds through his door at the officers who had formed an ad hoc SWAT team, as they approached his room around 12 minutes after the shooting. However, none of them ever made a radio call that shots were being fired at them, which they are required to do by department regulations. We have the recordings from that night, and they never mention it.
B) The sheriff previously stated there was a note that contained numbers in the room, but they were still researching their meaning. Then on 60 Minutes, officers, who were on the team that breached the room, stated they knew the numbers were "range" calculations for the shooting location, when they read the note after breaching the room.
Then, at the presser on Monday, Oct 11th, the Sheriff was asked by a reporter to "clarify the note's contents". To which he replied "I'm not at liberty to discuss that". What changed in less than 24 hours? He had already commented on the note's contents 4 days earlier, and the officers had stated it's contents the night before, so why was the sheriff no longer "at liberty" to talk about the note?
TLDR: People died, America cried, and the FBI lied.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 9:30 am
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:34 am to OysterPoBoy
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They’ve changed their story so many times it’s hard to tell. My current theory is gambler guy was a Barry Seal type flying guns into the Middle East. Op was a planned attack with ISIS but they took him out and left him for a patsy.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:35 am to VaBamaMan
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A) They claim Paddock fired 200 rounds through his door at the officers who had formed an ad hoc SWAT team, as they approached his room around 12 minutes after the shooting. However, none of them ever made a radio call that shots were being fired at them, which they are required to do by department regulations. We have the recordings from that night, and they never mention it.
How do you know?
Wouldn't it be possible and completely plausible they did not use the main radio net due to the havok occurring outside? Every agency of that size has multiple nets, some are recorded and some are not.
To the rest of your posts there are logical explanations for all of it but if you can't conclude that on your own, me typing it out won't either.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:36 am to rocket31
quote:Actually, you probably want to spend weeks turning over every single stone and possible piece of evidence and interview you can before settling on that conclusion.
doesnt take 3 weeks to conclude: "just a crazy nutjob, move along"
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:38 am to shel311
No kidding
But if the entire story is that he's a loner nutjob it doesn't take 3 weeks to determine as much
But if the entire story is that he's a loner nutjob it doesn't take 3 weeks to determine as much
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 9:40 am
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:41 am to rocket31
I wish the government would create a conspiracy theorist convention and then diabolically kill the conspiracy theorist that are asking too many important questions.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:43 am to notiger1997
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Meh.
Some of the timelines and a few minor details were proven false.
It's not like they have changed the whole chain of events and who did it and why.
The timeline is the "chain of events".
And they won't tell us "why". I firmly believe they know the motive.
I saw you in the other thread, you refuse to believe any other truth outside of the one the sheriff and FBI tell you. Even when it's been proven they are the ones lying.
You're being just as obtuse as those who believe there was a second shooter, or he was an FBI agent gun running for ISIS, or this was a false flag from people connected to pedogate, or someone was shooting from a helicopter.
I don't believe in some outrageous conspiracy, but I do believe they are hiding a large dearth of information regarding this investigation because either they:
A) They know the motive, but they don't want to release it because it will create some sort of fervor.
B) Are looking for an accomplice and don't want the public to know because they will overwhelmed by people calling in suspicious activity around the country.
C) The suspect actually was tied to a larger organization such, and they are pulling the loose thread that was Stephen Paddock, to see where it leads.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 10:14 am
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:43 am to rocket31
quote:I don't follow, to be honest.
But if the entire story is that he's a loner nutjob it doesn't take 3 weeks to determine as much
If that's the entire story, you're still going to investigate the hell out of every crumb of evidence you can find before making that your official conclusion, so it could take months before they give up and decide they can't find any evidence other than to just say he was a loner nutjob.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:47 am to shel311
They've gone on record saying there are "thousands" of leads though
Not really sure a loner would lead to such an extensive investigation ?
They also went on record saying something in October 2016 triggered Paddock so its reasonable to think the motive is more than just "crazy old man" for that reason too
Not really sure a loner would lead to such an extensive investigation ?
They also went on record saying something in October 2016 triggered Paddock so its reasonable to think the motive is more than just "crazy old man" for that reason too
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 9:49 am
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:51 am to rocket31
quote:Like I said, they're going to investigate every possible thing.
They've gone on record saying there are "thousands" of leads though
Not really sure a loner would lead to such an extensive investigation ?
Seems pretty normal to me.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:57 am to rocket31
quote:
But if the entire story is that he's a loner nutjob it doesn't take 3 weeks to determine as much
Uh, wut?
That conclusion would only be reached after exhausting all other possibilities. It's essentially saying there was no motive. It could take working through months or years of leads for them to accept that.
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:02 am to TheDrunkenTigah
...for a loner?
Lord have mercy. This is too funny
The sheriff also said there is no possible way that this guy planned this alone
Head sheriff: no way this guy did this alone
OT lounge: just a lone crazy guy it takes years to reach that conclusion as well
Lord have mercy. This is too funny
The sheriff also said there is no possible way that this guy planned this alone
Head sheriff: no way this guy did this alone
OT lounge: just a lone crazy guy it takes years to reach that conclusion as well
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:04 am to rocket31
quote:What are you talking about?
...for a loner?
Lord have mercy. This is too funny
You have this weird notion that because he was possibly a loner there's minimal evidence and should wrap this entire investigation up in 2 weeks.
It doesn't work that way...probably the simplest way to put it.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 10:05 am
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:06 am to shel311
Yes loner investigations get wrapped up with the quickness because there are no leads to pursue . No massive data circles to come through
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:07 am to rocket31
quote:As I said, it doesn't work like that. That's the easy answer.
because there are no leads to pursue
There's likely hundreds upon hundreds of leads they have to sift through and come up with nothing before they can officially decide he was a loner.
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