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re: Has any official said “we ain’t found no motive yet” regarding Vegas?

Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:51 am to
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58103 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:51 am to
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The first few stories were proven false.


Meh.
Some of the timelines and a few minor details were proven false.
It's not like they have changed the whole chain of events and who did it and why.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
35952 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 8:52 am to
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Because that's not a cool story. There has to be some isis, CIA, Hollywood, NWO, elites, trump massive global conspiracy

That's disingenuous and you know it. We have the most extensive and expansive law enforcement apparatus in world history. Our technology allows us to do things that would have boggled minds 2 decades ago. We're talking about the largest mass shooting in American history, news coverage has vanished and law enforcement still says they don't have a motive. Do you honestly find it hard to believe that the same government who lied about Vietnam, WMD's and NSA spying programs isn't being straight with the American public?
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:00 am to
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They are still working on their story. The first few stories were proven false. They are hoping people just forget at this point.

Are you a Vegas Shooter truther?
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:03 am to
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That's disingenuous and you know it. We have the most extensive and expansive law enforcement apparatus in world history. Our technology allows us to do things that would have boggled minds 2 decades ago. We're talking about the largest mass shooting in American history, news coverage has vanished and law enforcement still says they don't have a motive. Do you honestly find it hard to believe that the same government who lied about Vietnam, WMD's and NSA spying programs isn't being straight with the American public?

Posted by Placebeaux
Bobby Fischer Fan Club President
Member since Jun 2008
51852 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:05 am to
He had on loafers. Aint nobody doing some tactical shite in loafers.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7649 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:24 am to
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Or are they just not saying anything one way or the other yet?



They aren't saying, but the current "official" narrative is that they have not found one as of now.

But there have been multiple piece of information they either change, refuse to talk about, or previously said and now refuse to talk about.

Either it's the worst run investigation I've ever seen, or they are hiding something they don't want the public to know, both options coming to you courtesy of the FBI.

I'm leaning towards the second one. I firmly believe they know the motive, but aren't releasing it for some unknown reason.

Mainly because of 1 exchange between a reporter, Sheriff Lombardo, and a FBI agent at the press conference on Monday, Oct 11th. And 2 major discrepancies in the official narrative

When a reporter asked Lombardo how many cell phones Paddock had, he didn't know the answer and turned to an FBI agent in the room and repeated the question. To which the agent said "I don't believe it's prudent we give out that information". Then Lombardo turned to the reporter and said, "I don't know how many devices he had".

It was asked because Paddock's brother had stated Paddock always carried 2 cell phones from 2 different carriers in case 1 of them lost signal he could still make a call when needed.

If Paddock a loaner who only gambled and took cruises, does it matter if the public knows how many cell phones he had? It's a very innocuous question, it's strange that it wouldn't be "prudent" to simply answer it with a number.

Also, since the FBI and Sheriff's dept have both stated Paddock was a loaner who barely talked to his own family, had no friends, didnt work, and no longer had any rental properties. So why does he need 2 cell phones? What conversations were so important he had to have a backup phone to make sure they occurred?

This also makes it obvious the FBI are the ones handling the investigation, and they only give out information to LVMPD and the Sheriff as warranted.

Discrepancies

A) They claim Paddock fired 200 rounds through his door at the officers who had formed an ad hoc SWAT team, as they approached his room around 12 minutes after the shooting. However, none of them ever made a radio call that shots were being fired at them, which they are required to do by department regulations. We have the recordings from that night, and they never mention it.

B) The sheriff previously stated there was a note that contained numbers in the room, but they were still researching their meaning. Then on 60 Minutes, officers, who were on the team that breached the room, stated they knew the numbers were "range" calculations for the shooting location, when they read the note after breaching the room.

Then, at the presser on Monday, Oct 11th, the Sheriff was asked by a reporter to "clarify the note's contents". To which he replied "I'm not at liberty to discuss that". What changed in less than 24 hours? He had already commented on the note's contents 4 days earlier, and the officers had stated it's contents the night before, so why was the sheriff no longer "at liberty" to talk about the note?

TLDR: People died, America cried, and the FBI lied.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 9:30 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110670 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:34 am to
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They’ve changed their story so many times it’s hard to tell. My current theory is gambler guy was a Barry Seal type flying guns into the Middle East. Op was a planned attack with ISIS but they took him out and left him for a patsy.

Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19673 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:35 am to
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A) They claim Paddock fired 200 rounds through his door at the officers who had formed an ad hoc SWAT team, as they approached his room around 12 minutes after the shooting. However, none of them ever made a radio call that shots were being fired at them, which they are required to do by department regulations. We have the recordings from that night, and they never mention it.


How do you know?

Wouldn't it be possible and completely plausible they did not use the main radio net due to the havok occurring outside? Every agency of that size has multiple nets, some are recorded and some are not.

To the rest of your posts there are logical explanations for all of it but if you can't conclude that on your own, me typing it out won't either.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110670 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:36 am to
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doesnt take 3 weeks to conclude: "just a crazy nutjob, move along"
Actually, you probably want to spend weeks turning over every single stone and possible piece of evidence and interview you can before settling on that conclusion.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:38 am to
No kidding

But if the entire story is that he's a loner nutjob it doesn't take 3 weeks to determine as much
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 9:40 am
Posted by PearlJam
NotBeardEaves
Member since Aug 2014
13908 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:41 am to
I wish the government would create a conspiracy theorist convention and then diabolically kill the conspiracy theorist that are asking too many important questions.
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7649 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:43 am to
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Meh.
Some of the timelines and a few minor details were proven false.
It's not like they have changed the whole chain of events and who did it and why.


The timeline is the "chain of events".

And they won't tell us "why". I firmly believe they know the motive.

I saw you in the other thread, you refuse to believe any other truth outside of the one the sheriff and FBI tell you. Even when it's been proven they are the ones lying.

You're being just as obtuse as those who believe there was a second shooter, or he was an FBI agent gun running for ISIS, or this was a false flag from people connected to pedogate, or someone was shooting from a helicopter.

I don't believe in some outrageous conspiracy, but I do believe they are hiding a large dearth of information regarding this investigation because either they:

A) They know the motive, but they don't want to release it because it will create some sort of fervor.

B) Are looking for an accomplice and don't want the public to know because they will overwhelmed by people calling in suspicious activity around the country.

C) The suspect actually was tied to a larger organization such, and they are pulling the loose thread that was Stephen Paddock, to see where it leads.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 10:14 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110670 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:43 am to
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But if the entire story is that he's a loner nutjob it doesn't take 3 weeks to determine as much

I don't follow, to be honest.

If that's the entire story, you're still going to investigate the hell out of every crumb of evidence you can find before making that your official conclusion, so it could take months before they give up and decide they can't find any evidence other than to just say he was a loner nutjob.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:47 am to
They've gone on record saying there are "thousands" of leads though

Not really sure a loner would lead to such an extensive investigation ?

They also went on record saying something in October 2016 triggered Paddock so its reasonable to think the motive is more than just "crazy old man" for that reason too

This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 9:49 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110670 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:51 am to
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They've gone on record saying there are "thousands" of leads though

Not really sure a loner would lead to such an extensive investigation ?
Like I said, they're going to investigate every possible thing.

Seems pretty normal to me.
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
17314 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 9:57 am to
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But if the entire story is that he's a loner nutjob it doesn't take 3 weeks to determine as much




Uh, wut?

That conclusion would only be reached after exhausting all other possibilities. It's essentially saying there was no motive. It could take working through months or years of leads for them to accept that.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:02 am to
...for a loner?

Lord have mercy. This is too funny

The sheriff also said there is no possible way that this guy planned this alone

Head sheriff: no way this guy did this alone
OT lounge: just a lone crazy guy it takes years to reach that conclusion as well
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 10:05 am
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110670 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:04 am to
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...for a loner?

Lord have mercy. This is too funny

What are you talking about?

You have this weird notion that because he was possibly a loner there's minimal evidence and should wrap this entire investigation up in 2 weeks.

It doesn't work that way...probably the simplest way to put it.
This post was edited on 10/18/17 at 10:05 am
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:06 am to
Yes loner investigations get wrapped up with the quickness because there are no leads to pursue . No massive data circles to come through
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110670 posts
Posted on 10/18/17 at 10:07 am to
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because there are no leads to pursue
As I said, it doesn't work like that. That's the easy answer.

There's likely hundreds upon hundreds of leads they have to sift through and come up with nothing before they can officially decide he was a loner.
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