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re: Francis Scott Key Bridge in Baltimore has collapsed - container ship wrecked into it

Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:49 am to
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:49 am to
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And deal with stop lights the whole way to Annapolis.

No big deal, I'm treating it like the scenic route.
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:49 am to
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Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80399 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:52 am to
What type of insurance limits do those big cargo vessels have to have? Seems cost prohibitive to have them each carry a few hundred million dollars?

Between death claims, cleanup, lost revenue, rebuilding… this is at least a billion dollar loss.
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 6:53 am
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:53 am to
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This stuff fascinates me. If a few of those people who crossed right before the collapse would have taken a minute longer to leave the house this morning they’d be in the river right now.


Which is why I learned/accepted long ago that when it’s your time, it’s your time. No use stressing.
Posted by SlidellCajun
Slidell la
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:54 am to
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Dunno why this is relevant. Tugs don't normally escort ships in a port




Not sure it’s common in that harbor but they’re Used all the time all over the place escorting around infrastructure.
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 6:59 am
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51388 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:54 am to
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RIP to the construction workers just trying to make a living.


Who work at night because it’s safer. Damn
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:54 am to
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Which is why I learned/accepted long ago that when it’s your time, it’s your time. No use stressing.

Basically

I stress out about a lot of things, but this kind of shite I do not.

The fact that we drive 1 ton+ machines at high rates of speed inches away from other 1 ton+ machines daily should have us running in terror.
Posted by LSUDad
Still on the move
Member since May 2004
58876 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:56 am to
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The fact that we drive 1 ton+ machines at high rates of speed inches away from other 1 ton+ machines daily should have us running in terror.


The Ship!


S/S Dali
Posted by Dick Jacket
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:57 am to
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What type of insurance limits do those big cargo vessels have to have? Seems cost prohibitive to have them each carry a few hundred million dollars? Between death claims, cleanup, lost revenue, rebuilding… this is at least a billion dollar loss.


This likely falls under maritime jurisdiction in which case the vessel owner likely will (maybe already has) filed a limitation action. In maritime law the damages are usually limited to the post incident value of the vessel and its freight. There are exceptions of course.
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:57 am to
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Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:59 am to
The lost revenue at the port will be in the billions no doubt.

quote:

and is responsible for nearly $3.3 billion in personal wages and salaries, $2.6 billion in business revenue and nearly $400 million in state and local tax revenue annually.


From a google search so it may not be 100% accurate
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:59 am to
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Posted by pankReb
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Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 6:59 am to
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Not sure it’s common in that harbor but they’re Used all the time all over the place escorting around infrastructure.


They really aren’t. Depending on the location, they may have a channel pilot on board. But tugs aren’t guiding every ship in and out of port every time much less continuing the ship down river.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:00 am to
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I think your 1 billion number is on the very low side


Probably so given the numbers you gave. Maybe 10 billion is a better estimate.

But no way every cargo ship this size has that much insurance coverage. This is going to have to come out of the government at some point.
Posted by LSU fan 246
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:02 am to
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Posted by Dick Jacket
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:03 am to
I have already answered this question. Google Limitation of Liability Act of 1851 for further reading.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:04 am to
I doubt any insurance comes close to a billion.

Maybe $100M but even that is a stretch.
Posted by Corinthians420
Iowa
Member since Jun 2022
6826 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:05 am to
First hand sources claim that as soon as the ship went dark it became more violent.

I hope some workers survived but it seems crazy that anyone could survive this. If the crew had reported propulsion failure early enough I wonder how much time it would've taken to alert a road crew working there.
This post was edited on 3/26/24 at 7:06 am
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
146214 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:05 am to
Was it a foreign flagged ship or a Jones Act ship?
Posted by Pooswa
Member since Jul 2018
226 posts
Posted on 3/26/24 at 7:05 am to
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Doesn't seam like that ship would have been able to fit under it.
I thought the same thing..ship looks massive in comparison to bridge.
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