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FEMA raising flood insurance rates in Southwest Florida, blames bad Hurricane Ian rebuild

Posted on 3/29/24 at 8:00 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
54369 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 8:00 pm
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Flood insurance rates are rising for Southwest Florida residents — as much as 25% — after the Federal Emergency Management Agency accused some communities of improperly rebuilding after Hurricane Ian.

On Thursday, FEMA representatives told Lee County and four municipalities within it that residents were losing their long-held flood insurance discounts because they didn’t follow the federal agency’s rules on rebuilding after a storm.



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The rollback affects more than 115,000 flood insurance policy holders in Lee County, Cape Coral, Fort Myers Beach, Estero and Bonita Springs. According to FEMA data, the average policy holder could see a $300 annual increase to their flood insurance premium starting Oct. 1.



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Each of the communities had a 25% discount on flood insurance policies, except for Estero, which had a 20% discount. Collectively, FEMA said, the discounts saved the community tens of millions of dollars a year. Those are now gone, with no chance to earn them back until at least April 2026.



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To stay in the national flood insurance program, communities must agree to a few ground rules. One is that if a storm causes damage worth at least 50% of the value of a property — known as substantial damage — it must be torn down and built up to the newest building codes.

That’s an expensive proposition that most Floridians struggling in the wake of a storm’s devastation are eager to avoid, but the rule is designed to keep properties in harm’s way safe and to ensure the federal government isn’t stuck footing the bill to rebuild them again and again.

After Hurricane Ian struck in 2022, some communities in Southwest Florida were quick to try and find ways to help residents avoid rebuilding, and thus, elevating, their properties. Cape Coral, one of the communities losing its flood insurance discount, rolled back some of its stricter rules around rebuilding to help residents avoid hitting that 50% line.



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FEMA said the problems began shortly after the storm, when federal teams visited the communities hit the hardest and looked at the properties they thought were most likely to be substantially damaged, including older homes built in flood zones, some with previous flood damage.

“What the team found, unfortunately, is there was a lot of unpermitted work, lack of documentation,” said Robert Samaan, the regional administrator for FEMA’s Region 4, including Florida. “It was just a failure to properly monitor the activity in the special flood hazard area.”


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If Lee and the other municipalities don’t proactively work with FEMA to address these issues, he said, they could be kicked out of the flood insurance program altogether. Each policyholder would have to pay a $50 surcharge, and no new flood insurance policies could be written for the area. Disaster assistance after a hurricane would also be limited.

“We’re not putting them on probation just yet,” Samaan said. “What follows is we’ll be working with these communities. If they do their remediation plan, if they work with us, if they fix the deficiencies, then they do not have to be put on NFIP probation.”



Miami Herald

Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
120327 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 8:02 pm to
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the average policy holder could see a $300 annual increase to their flood insurance premium starting Oct. 1.


Id bang lizzo for my policy to only go up $300
Posted by graychef
Member since Jun 2008
28342 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 8:02 pm to
Yet we fight each other to see who can vote the fastest to send more money to Ukraine.
This post was edited on 3/29/24 at 8:03 pm
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25690 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 8:09 pm to
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Id bang lizzo for my policy to only go up $300


Last time I checked only a $300 increase was Diddy required territory. I abstained but to each their own.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30590 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 8:23 pm to
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Yet we fight each other to see who can vote the fastest to send more money to Ukraine.

Our legislators need the kickbacks to pay their flood insurance bills
Posted by El Segundo Guy
SE OK
Member since Aug 2014
9611 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 9:00 pm to
I'm down with that.


If you get Fedgov subsidies (or as this article put it, discounts) which are paid or backed by taxpayer money, then follow the fricking rules. Because I don't need to have any more of my tax dollars going to rebuild bullshite construction.

If you want to do it your way, fine. But don't expect Fedgov to help you.
Posted by Achilles Hill
Member since Mar 2024
233 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 9:03 pm to
So a guy in Nebraska is wondering why his tax dollars are going to someone who builds a structure in a hurricane zone.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6481 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:21 pm to
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Nebraska is wondering why his tax dollars are going to someone who builds a structure in a hurricane zone


Unfortunately you're on the wrong board for the laws and proper principles of economics.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47664 posts
Posted on 3/29/24 at 11:32 pm to
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o a guy in Nebraska is wondering why his tax dollars are going to someone who builds a structure in a hurricane zone.


Red states should stick together
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
6481 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 12:25 am to
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Red states should stick together


How does that work for executive actions that spend a ton of money not explicitly authorized by Congress? States, other than their Senators and Reps, have no power over federal actions.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
7457 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 6:25 am to
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So a guy in Nebraska is wondering why his tax dollars are going to someone who builds a structure in a hurricane zone.


The flood insurance program is an insurance program managed by the federal government and only backstopped by the federal government when claims exceed premiums collected. It is managed by a few companies that write the policies on behalf of the government. NFIP has been running in the red since 2005 when it paid nearly 13 billion in losses due to Hurricane Katrina. It has a debt tab that has grown to over 20 billion dollars to the U.S. Treasury after other disasters not just from hurricanes.

In my opinion, 20 billion is drop in the bucket of the largess of the federal budget paying billions in aide to the Ukraine in a winless war against Russia, billions more to feed and house migrants that shouldn’t be allowed to walk across the border, billions more to fund endless studies the yield little to no substantial value to the country, and the endless waste in other sectors of the government inflating the value of goods and services.

What could be done to fix the problem is to get Congress to pay off the debt and enact better controls over future losses. Now Risk Rating 2.0 took rates to an other extreme. Many would agree that some small increases are necessary if it is to return the program to profitability to build a reserve to backstop the losses. Also, Congress should step in and in years of catastrophic losses like a hurricane they should eat the losses and not borrow from the federal treasury as part of FEMA funding in response to national disasters.

This would ensure the availability of affordable Flood Insurance.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 6:35 am
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
26611 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 6:30 am to
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the average policy holder could see a $300 annual increase to their flood insurance premium starting Oct. 1.




My wind and hail went up almost 8K after Ida…. I’m sure those people will be suffering….
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
26611 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 6:32 am to
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So a guy in Nebraska is wondering why his tax dollars are going to someone who builds a structure in a hurricane zone.


He should be more worried about his tax dollars going to a foreign government.
This post was edited on 3/30/24 at 6:33 am
Posted by LStU
Member since Jan 2012
399 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:11 am to
NFIP is government backed flood insurance that is subsidized below private market rates. NFIP has government controls on how it can calculate risk and also on the policy rates and coverage amounts. NFIP will state that it's rates are actuarial sound - but that's based on constraints like $250k max coverage that the private market does not have to follow.

If you're against government subsidies then you should be for penalties that add additional risk and policy exposure to the NFIP.
Posted by POTUS2024
Member since Nov 2022
11245 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:16 am to
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national flood insurance program


This should not be a thing.
Posted by Bamafig
Member since Nov 2018
3154 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:21 am to
So a guy in south Florida is wondering why he’s subsidizing corn in Nebraska.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
7457 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 7:37 am to
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If you're against government subsidies then you should be for penalties that add additional risk and policy exposure to the NFIP.


Yes, building stronger communities also requires smarter building. So if the county fudged the numbers to okay repairs when the regulations said to tear down so be it.

If you flood, once that could be sign of an alarm, twice could be a bad omen for things to come, and any more floods should be a sign to tear it down and rebuild higher.


Well I will just put this out there in some places in southwest Florida some of those areas looked like they could easily flood when compared to Southeast Louisiana. There were waterways without floodgates ushering in water to places that were seemingly too low to build houses flat to the ground.

At least now in Southeast Louisiana there are levees and floodgates to keep the water out hopefully to stop the next one.


Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
47664 posts
Posted on 3/30/24 at 10:04 am to
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At least now in Southeast Louisiana there are levees and floodgates to keep the water out hopefully to stop the next one.


Which have murdered our coastline
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