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re: Father accidentally shoots teenage son dead at Florida gun range
Posted on 7/5/16 at 9:29 am to Niklaus Mikaelson
Posted on 7/5/16 at 9:29 am to Niklaus Mikaelson
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had a spent casing go down my shirt while shooting my last CHL qualification. Still managed to keep my gun pointed down range while removing it from my shirt. If you shoot then you have to know you'll get hit with hot brass every now and then. You have to be prepared for it.
Yep, same thing happened to me. Instructor lined us up with me (tallest in group) on the far right side of the line. Guy 3 people down was shooting a .45 and was showering me in shells. Several hitting me in the head or neck and bouncing off. Still stacked bullets in the 9 and 10 ring until one went down my shirt and I dropped my barrel slightly and hit dead center under the 7 ring. The important point being I kept the muzzle down range on target, and maintained my position with a now empty and slide locked back firearm until the instructor gave the range clear command. At which point I was able to remove the shell that had settled just above my belt over my appendix. Yes it caused a burn. Yes it healed and no the scar is not really noticeable.
Tragic story. Sounds like a horrific accident. With proper training and discipline about muzzle control it should have NEVER happened.
Accidental death/ injury happens every day from multiple objects. Outlawing guns will only prevent accidental shooting deaths but will not affect in anyway the thousands of other accidental deaths in this country. It would, however, predictably cause a increase in the number of deaths due to violent crime.
ETA typo correction
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 10:10 am
Posted on 7/5/16 at 9:55 am to Bleeding purple
Unintentional Deaths and Injuries
In 2010, unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people.
From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.
Over 1,300 victims of unintentional shootings for the period 2005–2010 were under 25 years of age.
People of all age groups are significantly more likely to die from unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns. On average, states with the highest gun levels had nine times the rate of unintentional firearms deaths compared to states with the lowest gun levels.
A federal government study of unintentional shootings found that 8% of such shooting deaths resulted from shots fired by children under the age of six.
The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).
so 2005-2010
3800 total unintentional or accidental shooting deaths in US
of which 1300 or 34% were under the age of 25
and 304 were due to children firing the unsecured weapon
For comparison in that same 5 year span
2005-2010
17,680 unintentional or accidental drowning deaths non boating related
19,340 unintentional drowning deaths including boating accidents
3868 or roughly 20% were children 14 yrs old or younger many of which occur while supervised and only a short distance away from a care provider in a home pool, or bathtub.
In 2010, unintentional firearm injuries caused the deaths of 606 people.
From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.
Over 1,300 victims of unintentional shootings for the period 2005–2010 were under 25 years of age.
People of all age groups are significantly more likely to die from unintentional firearm injuries when they live in states with more guns, relative to states with fewer guns. On average, states with the highest gun levels had nine times the rate of unintentional firearms deaths compared to states with the lowest gun levels.
A federal government study of unintentional shootings found that 8% of such shooting deaths resulted from shots fired by children under the age of six.
The U.S. General Accounting Office has estimated that 31% of unintentional deaths caused by firearms might be prevented by the addition of two devices: a child-proof safety lock (8%) and a loading indicator (23%).
so 2005-2010
3800 total unintentional or accidental shooting deaths in US
of which 1300 or 34% were under the age of 25
and 304 were due to children firing the unsecured weapon
For comparison in that same 5 year span
2005-2010
17,680 unintentional or accidental drowning deaths non boating related
19,340 unintentional drowning deaths including boating accidents
3868 or roughly 20% were children 14 yrs old or younger many of which occur while supervised and only a short distance away from a care provider in a home pool, or bathtub.
quote:
•From 2005-2014, there were an average of 3,536 fatal unintentional drownings (non-boating related) annually in the United States — about ten deaths per day.1 An additional 332 people died each year from drowning in boating-related incidents.2
•About one in five people who die from drowning are children 14 and younger.1 For every child who dies from drowning, another five receive emergency department care for nonfatal submersion injuries.
•Since 2005, unintentional drowning has replaced motor vehicle traffic incidents as the leading cause of death from unintentional injury for boys aged 1–4 years.
•Drowning occurred most often in a bath tub for persons under 1 year of age and for adults aged 85 and over, in a swimming pool for children aged 1–4 years, and in natural water for persons aged 5–84 years.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 10:35 am to Carson123987
First impulse, yes.
That would be selfish. Surviving family members need you there.
That would be selfish. Surviving family members need you there.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 11:31 am to Tempratt
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That would be selfish. Surviving family members need you there.
Agree, but the grief must be debilitating.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 11:59 am to Grim
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Stories like these are an even better case for gun control than the mass shootings. Lunatics will always find a way to kill people but good people wouldn't kill their sons if there were no guns. I'm not saying confiscate all of the guns in America but at the very least make them illegal to buy. Enough is enough
The lack of common sense in this post is astounding.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 12:53 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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The lack of common sense in this post is astounding.
Would you say the same about the guy who stood there getting "showered in shells" until one went down his shirt?
Posted on 7/5/16 at 1:24 pm to Mr. Hangover
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you're saying we should take guns away from people
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I'm not saying confiscate all of the guns
Republicans are not very good at reading comprehension
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:16 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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Would you say the same about the guy who stood there getting "showered in shells" until one went down his shirt?
Hi there.
I suppose you have never taken a CHL class or qualified. You don't get "do-overs" or mulligans. You are expected to be proficient with your weapon when they tell you to pull the trigger. You are expected to practice firearms safety at all times.
Are you advocating differently?
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:45 pm to Bleeding purple
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I suppose you have never taken a CHL class or qualified. You don't get "do-overs" or mulligans. You are expected to be proficient with your weapon when they tell you to pull the trigger. You are expected to practice firearms safety at all times.
Are you advocating differently?
Showering someone with shells and standing there and taking it until you get a hot one down your shirt doesn't sound like "firearms safety". It sounds like a problem that needs to be fixed, both in the moment by getting out of the way, and in the future by changing the procedure so it doesn't happen again.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 2:46 pm to LakeViewLSU
fricking terrible but damn that father is one dumbass motherfricker
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:23 pm to LakeViewLSU
I've only shot handguns maybe 4-5 times, but i've had multiple casings land in my shirt pocket. Even had one land inbetween my temple and the frames of the safety glasses.
My point being that maybe another safety measure (such as eye & ear protection) added to ranges should be shirts that can be enclosed at the collar to prevent this.
A spent casing down the shirt seems like it's actually not that uncommon.
My point being that maybe another safety measure (such as eye & ear protection) added to ranges should be shirts that can be enclosed at the collar to prevent this.
A spent casing down the shirt seems like it's actually not that uncommon.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:35 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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Showering someone with shells
Where your spent shells land is not the concern of the shooter during live fire. Safety is maintained by keeping your muzzle on target, which the shooter was doing an excellent job of resulting in recurrent spent shell placement also. It should have been the concern of the instructor however. My temporary discomfort could have been prevented by placing the shooters farther apart laterally and placing the tall guy (me) on the left not the right end of the line.
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taking it until you get a hot one down your shirt doesn't sound like "firearms safety".
Moving out of position or changing muzzle direction of my firearm during a live line fire drill would constitute a potentially deadly break in safety.
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needs to be fixed, both in the moment by getting out of the way, and in the future by changing the procedure so it doesn't happen again.
in the moment there was no safe way to fix it
in the future better line formation and a tightly cuffed shirt would have been beneficial.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:41 pm to Bleeding purple
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Moving out of position or changing muzzle direction of my firearm during a live line fire drill would constitute a potentially deadly break in safety.
I think the idea would be to stop firing and back up out of the way.
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in the moment there was no safe way to fix it
See above.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:46 pm to civiltiger07
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So should cars be banned as well?
I'm not taking a position here, but this is a straw man argument. Guns exist for one reason...to kill things. Cars exist to move people from point A to B. One is absolutely critical to modern society, the other serves little purpose.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 3:54 pm to Grim
quote:But still better than Liberals.
Republicans are not very good at reading comprehension
"shall not be infringed" 4 words liberals are too stupid to comprehend.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 4:02 pm to Spock's Eyebrow
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stop firing (acceptable) and back up out of the way (not acceptable during live fire)
moving behind the line with a loaded weapon when there are shooters to my left and right places those shooters down range of my muzzle
Posted on 7/5/16 at 4:07 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I'm not taking a position here, but this is a straw man argument. Guns exist for one reason...to kill things. Cars exist to move people from point A to B. One is absolutely critical to modern society, the other serves little purpose.
Guns serve absolutely zero purpose in modern society except for rednecks to show off to their friends and achieve a small, pathetic sense of importance.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 4:17 pm to TigerattheU
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quote: The father said the round hit the ceiling and came down on his son. "It was a very freak accident. I made a mistake," he said. This CNN link has some more detailed information. I didn't expect the bullet to have hit the ceiling first.
I'm very skeptical of this. Maybe....MAYBE if the round hit an steel i-beam it would ricochet with enough force to kill someone, but I find that hard to believe especially if he was using rounds that are designed to break up on impact like most indoor ranges require.
This post was edited on 7/5/16 at 4:18 pm
Posted on 7/5/16 at 7:37 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Yeah guns don't help modern society. Spears, knives, bows, swords, and axes never helped society. You're a fricking cuck. People kill people that's not gonna change we might as well give the good guys the best chance we have. Weapons will always have a place in human society.
Posted on 7/5/16 at 7:52 pm to Bleeding purple
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moving behind the line with a loaded weapon when there are shooters to my left and right places those shooters down range of my muzzle
One would hope you're able to hold a loaded gun without shooting people.
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