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Drone laws/rules: Can a drone operate autonomously (no line-of-sight)

Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:06 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:06 pm
If it stays on/above my property? Can I just say I was watching it through the window?
Posted by wickowick
Head of Island
Member since Dec 2006
45810 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:17 pm to
How high above the ground?
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:22 pm to
Less than 20 feet.

Basically I want to make a DIY version of that "Always Home" camera that Ring announced a couple years ago but is still "coming soon". I want one for outdoors as a supplement to regular security cameras.
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 11:24 pm
Posted by WONTONGO
Member since Oct 2007
4297 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:24 pm to
Proximity to airports and how high you fly are the only restrictions I'm aware of.
Posted by jmorr34
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
2888 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:30 pm to
Legally, no. Must remain line of sight unless you have a visual observer that can still see it.

Can you on your own property/land, non commercial/industrial, without any issues? Most likely.
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 11:37 pm
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28708 posts
Posted on 10/7/22 at 11:38 pm to
quote:

No. Must remain line of sight unless you have a visual observer that can still see it.
That's what I've read, but there is a lot of room for interpretation there.

Can I observe it through a window? Does someone have to prove that I couldn't see it at all times given that it's over my property and within view of my house?

Does the "visual observer" have to be human?

quote:

Can you on your own property/land, non commercial/industrial, without any issues? Most likely.

That's how I'm leaning. But my intended use is to use one or more drones to "swarm" and record a person up close (~10 feet or so) after other fixed cameras detect them. Just wondering if I'd have any legal standing if someone files a complaint.

I will make it as safe as possible, caged rotors, slow moving, not overly-heavy, multiple redundant e-stop systems, etc.
This post was edited on 10/7/22 at 11:44 pm
Posted by Slingscode
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2011
1853 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 6:57 am to
Done may not last long if you swarm someone with it.
Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
31954 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:20 am to
No. You have to have visual line of sight to be legal

quote:

Can I observe it through a window?


Nope

quote:

Does the “visual observer” have to be human?


Yes

Proximity to airports, restricted or prohibited areas, MOAs, elevation are all going to come into play.

If something were to happen, even the weather that day would come into play. If it ever went to court, you would have a REALLY tough time
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 7:34 am
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
53003 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:20 am to
Throw a beer bottle at it
Posted by Caraway Rye
Member since Oct 2021
5108 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:22 am to
Ignore the laws and rules

I do
Posted by CutTheCord
Texas
Member since Aug 2022
741 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:33 am to
Yes.

I fly my drone wherever I want, whenever I want. Never been stopped or questioned.

The 400' height limit is the only rule I follow. And that is because the drone won't go any higher.

I've sent my drone out over a mile away.
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
17010 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:33 am to
Fun fact

You do not own the air space above your house. A drone can fly above your house and there is nothing you can do. If you knock it down or shoot it down, there is lots that will happen to you though
Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
31954 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:39 am to
quote:

I fly my drone wherever I want, whenever I want. Never been stopped or questioned. The 400' height limit is the only rule I follow. And that is because the drone won't go any higher. I've sent my drone out over a mile away.


OP, don’t listen to this guy. YES, you CAN do what you are asking. As in, it is POSSIBLE. But you are 100% bringing possible litigation into the equation and what you are asking would absolutely get shot down (pun intended) in court. Fines can get lofty as well.


Disclaimer: I’m FAA part 107 certified. I fly drones for an oil company. And I have my own drone side hustle. I’m not blowing smoke
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 7:43 am
Posted by CutTheCord
Texas
Member since Aug 2022
741 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:46 am to
quote:

OP, don’t listen to this guy. YES, you CAN do what you are asking.


Part 107 allows you fly your drone wherever you want.
Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
31954 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:51 am to
quote:

Part 107 allows you fly your drone wherever you want.


Elaborate please

Just for clarification, OP wouldnt be under part 107. He would be a recreational pilot.

But please continue...
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 7:55 am
Posted by CutTheCord
Texas
Member since Aug 2022
741 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 7:54 am to
quote:

Elaborate please



Once you file and get accepted, Part 107 allows you to fly the drone out of sight for 'jobs'.

Just say your flying for a job.

It's simple...
Posted by im4LSU
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2004
31954 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:00 am to
quote:

Part 107 allows you to fly the drone out of sight for 'jobs'.


With a waiver from the FAA, which im 99.9% sure you wouldnt get in this case.

quote:

Just say your flying for a job.

It's simple...


It is simple, just wouldnt be legal in this case.

There is an exception for recreational pilots in that you have a visual observer, to which I already answered his question. It has to be a human.

There are some other exceptions but they are for emergencies, which this wouldnt fall under


And again, for clarification, OP wouldnt fall under part 107 in this case. So your point is moot anyway.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 8:06 am
Posted by Meauxjeaux
98836 posts including my alters
Member since Jun 2005
39955 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:08 am to
Swarm first, ask questions later.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
11506 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:10 am to
I am pretty open to people telling the government to go frick themselves and ignoring dumb laws but droning over other peoples property is trashy. Just the perception of invasion of privacy of a drone hovering over your property is enough to make it creepy as frick. Some kid flying their drone Christmas morning in the neighborhood is different then some manchild just flying wherever they want whenever they want.
Posted by CutTheCord
Texas
Member since Aug 2022
741 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 8:12 am to
He can file for Part 107 and then claim he's making a video about home security.

Once uploaded to the internet and he makes revenue, it's a job.
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