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re: Driverless Cars - Good or Bad?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:29 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:29 pm to Korkstand
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This in addition to ABS which has been around for decades, and I believe the majority of vehicles sold today have traction control. I would call this "intervention" on the part of the vehicle, and supports my use of the word "many".
I don't really think ABS and traction control count as automatic intervention, but I guess I can give you that.
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Well, just Volvo has sold one million cars with auto-braking. Almost all high-end manufacturers offer it already on several models, and it is already trickling down into more affordable makes and models. I can't find hard numbers off-hand for more manufacturers, but I would call the 1 million alone by Volvo "many".
Compared to the total number of cars on US roadways? I wouldn't say so. Especially since that 1 million you're using is definitely not just for our market.
It's misleading as hell to say many cars currently on the road have auto intervention IMO.
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Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:30 pm to elprez00
quote:No doubt. Google's LIDAR system sees everything pretty much instantly. It can even see something as small as a cigarette butt flicked from between two parked cars, and adjusts its driving accordingly on the assumption that a person is hidden there. A human can only really focus on one thing at a time. A computer can "see" everything at once, and react accordingly.
Road sensors, radar, etc will probably allow the car to react quicker than you could.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:31 pm to LewDawg
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It sure would make texting easier
Would it count as a Designated Driver, that part I would like since I do not drink and drive
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:31 pm to beejon
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Driverless Cars - Good or Bad?
bad, how many times has your phone or pc frove up for just a few seconds. Not a big deal if you are sending a tweet or looking up porn, but a few seconds freeze in driving bad. Now tech assisting drivers is good
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:32 pm to willthezombie
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bad, how many times has your phone or pc frove up for just a few seconds. Not a big deal if you are sending a tweet or looking up porn, but a few seconds freeze in driving bad. Now tech assisting drivers is good
Yea what would happen if planes had autopilot, imagine all the havoc
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:35 pm to beejon
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I'm thinking bad, lots of accidents. I envision a field day for attorneys though, so for them I guess it'll be good.
Do you really think they're not going to test the absolute hell out of these things for exactly that reason? The lawsuits could be astounding, and really its the potential lawsuits is why we don't have them right now. They've logged in over a million miles on these things, and are probably going to log in several more million in testing to make sure that any possible frick-up will solely be human error.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:37 pm to beejon
I'm not giving up the steering wheel unless every other car on the road does the same. Your car may be smart but 16 year old Jenny Sue will still frick it up when she crashes her dumb car into you while texting.
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:37 pm to LNCHBOX
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Yea what would happen if planes had autopilot, imagine all the havoc
well seeing how when a plane or ship don't really have other planes or ships around them when they are on autopilot a few seconds freeze isn't that big of a deal. If a car had a second freeze or just a component that was slow respnding in rush hour traffic, there would be a wreck just like if someone was texting and driving.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:39 pm to willthezombie
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well seeing how when a plane or ship don't really have other planes or ships around them when they are on autopilot a few seconds freeze isn't that big of a deal
A shite load of bad things can happen in a few seconds to an airplane with no one controlling anything. quote:
f a car had a second freeze or just a component that was slow respnding in rush hour traffic, there would be a wreck just like if someone was texting and driving.
Would you care to link us to how often autopilot systems freeze, or are you just making shite up?
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:42 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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I'm not giving up the steering wheel unless every other car on the road does the same. Your car may be smart but 16 year old Jenny Sue will still frick it up when she crashes into you while texting.
Good. You and Jenny Sue can both die then. My car that is sensing 360 degrees around me, however, will sense Jenny Sue's headlong rampage into eternity long before impact and maneuver to move me out of the way and into a position where I can hear your tortured screams as your car and hers burst into flames after the brutal bone-crunching impact that your noticeably non-computer-like reaction time and lack of eyes on the side of your head made almost impossible for you to avoid.
ETA: Too much?
This post was edited on 2/4/14 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:45 pm to beejon
Bad.
Fun car = fun to drive. I want to be in control of my car. I like rowing through gears. I like to push the pedal to the floor sometimes.
Now, if we are talking an option to be able to hop into the Sheep Lane(TM) and just cruise along that may be ok.
Fun car = fun to drive. I want to be in control of my car. I like rowing through gears. I like to push the pedal to the floor sometimes.
Now, if we are talking an option to be able to hop into the Sheep Lane(TM) and just cruise along that may be ok.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:46 pm to willthezombie
quote:PCs and phones freeze up because they have to run a wide variety of arbitrary software. Every piece of software that would be driving a car is known and tested to hell and back. Also, there would be redundant systems and many failsafes in the case of hardware failure.
bad, how many times has your phone or pc frove up for just a few seconds. Not a big deal if you are sending a tweet or looking up porn, but a few seconds freeze in driving bad. Now tech assisting drivers is good
The computers that will be driving cars will be as reliable as a desktop calculator. Actually, they will probably be more reliable because of the redundancy. They will be as reliable as having 3 desktop calculators, and if one ever gives a different answer than the other 2 its answer will be discarded and the owner/driver will be notified of a potential problem.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:47 pm to Korkstand
But the cars they are developing now require you to be in the drivers seat in the event the car needs you to take over. I don't like to be in a car when I am not driving
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:48 pm to Old Hellen Yeller
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I'm not giving up the steering wheel unless every other car on the road does the same.
This will be the real issue. People won't want to give up their truck/sports car/motorcycle that they derive satisfaction from driving. I'm not really into cars as a hobby so I care more about getting places efficiently and safely. I think driverless vehicles could alleviate all traffic and safety issues on roadways in the future.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:48 pm to elprez00
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I'd pay big $$$ for one.
Considering the fact manufacturing the driverless Prius that Google outfitted would cost several hundred thousand per unit to manufacture, more than a Ferrari 599, you would need it. We will not see a significant number of these cars for at least 20 years. The price of the technology is too high.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:49 pm to LNCHBOX
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shite load of bad things can happen in a few seconds to an airplane with no one controlling anything.
A plane's autopilot malfunctioning or freezing a plane at 20,000 feet with nothing around and it drops in altitude a few feet (less than a thousand) not that big of deal. A car freezing up and not stopping in time or stopping short = wreck.
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Would you care to link us to how often autopilot systems freeze, or are you just making shite up?
Well from what I read the autopilot in this crash turned itself off and then the pilots made bad decisions. If a car auto pilot turned itself off you have a much shorter time to correct the problem.. Now I do think cars having more automation is good for safety like the new auto brake and my personal favorite the back up camera.
LINK
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:51 pm to Korkstand
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They will be as reliable as having 3 desktop calculators, and if one ever gives a different answer than the other 2 its answer will be discarded and the owner/driver will be notified of a potential problem.
driverless car = no driver. So no driver to make the decision from what my understanding is
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:54 pm to jbgleason
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believe the first step will be driverless interstates. Some sort of system where the major interstates have a track or GPS based guidance and you drive to the on-ramp, set your destination and it merges you in and takes you to the exit ramp at your destination. This would be pretty simple compared to programming cars to drive in town. I would be completely for this too. It would be great to be able to nap or read a book between Baton Rouge and Shreveport. As far as giving up my ability to control my car in town. No thanks. Watch iRobot if you want to see their version of this system.
Truth and will be reality within a decade
Posted on 2/4/14 at 4:56 pm to Korkstand
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They won't be commonplace until they have been proven to be nearly 100% accident-free.
They don't need to be proven accident free, just more accident free than your average driver.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 5:01 pm to willthezombie
quote:An immediate decision is not necessary. The car will function just fine if one part of a redundant system fails. The notification is just to let the owner know that it needs to be resolved at first opportunity.quote:driverless car = no driver. So no driver to make the decision from what my understanding is
They will be as reliable as having 3 desktop calculators, and if one ever gives a different answer than the other 2 its answer will be discarded and the owner/driver will be notified of a potential problem.
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