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David Simon on Baltomore's Anguish
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:29 am
Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:29 am
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Posted on 4/29/15 at 11:39 am to Commandeaux
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Baltomore
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:04 am to Commandeaux
Great read.
Does not answer for the rioting and looting, however.
Does not answer for the rioting and looting, however.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:22 am to Commandeaux
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How does race figure into this? It’s a city with a black majority and now a black mayor and black police chief, a substantially black police force.
A: What did Tom Wolfe write about cops? They all become Irish?
Of course. Blacks can now be considered white when it's convenient to do so.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 10:40 am to Commandeaux
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What can you do? You can’t artificially lower the murder rate – how do you hide the bodies when it’s the state health department that controls the medical examiner’s office? But the other felony categories? Robbery, aggravated assault, rape? Christ, what they did with that stuff was jaw-dropping.
If you hit somebody with a bullet, that had to count. If they went to the hospital with a bullet in them, it probably had to count as an aggravated assault. But if someone just took a gun out and emptied the clip and didn't hit anything or they didn't know if you hit anything, suddenly that was a common assault or even an unfounded report. Armed robberies became larcenies if you only had a victim’s description of a gun, but not a recovered weapon. And it only gets worse as some district commanders began to curry favor with the mayoral aides who were sitting on the Comstat data. In the Southwest District, a victim would try to make an armed robbery complaint, saying , ‘I just got robbed, somebody pointed a gun at me,’ and what they would do is tell him, well, okay, we can take the report but the first thing we have to do is run you through the computer to see if there's any paper on you. Wait, you're doing a warrant check on me before I can report a robbery? Oh yeah, we gotta know who you are before we take a complaint. You and everyone you’re living with? What’s your address again? You still want to report that robbery?
What I quoted is a must read for those that always argue violent crime is at an all-time low
Posted on 4/30/15 at 11:05 am to lsu480
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What I quoted is a must read for those that always argue violent crime is at an all-time low
So, look at the homicide rate (can't hide the bodies). It has fallen sharply since the early 90s. Wouldn't be surprised if other numbers are being massaged, but there isn't much you can do with a homicide rate, and I'd expect other violent crime rate trends to look similar.
What O'Malley did in Baltimore was patterned after what Guiliani did in NYC.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 11:12 am to Speedy G
It's like reading The Wire's Wiki.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 1:14 pm to Speedy G
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but there isn't much you can do with a homicide rate
The Wire plays around with this a lot. You can seriously skew the numbers on homicides. I mean sure, there's not much you can once you find a body, but where is the body? Was the victim killed there? Was the body moved? Where'd it come from? Whose murder numbers does this body fall on?
Posted on 4/30/15 at 1:24 pm to wadewilson
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Whose murder numbers does this body fall on?
In New Orleans, assuming they find a body (which often doesn't happen if it was dumped in New Orleans East or the 9th Ward), it is usually "discovered" on the West Bank and thus falls on Jefferson Parish's numbers.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 1:47 pm to kingbob
Exactly. All the violent crime in NOLA, and we're to believe their homicide rate is lower than Baton Rouge's.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 1:50 pm to lsu480
Juking the stats. Straight out of the Wire playbook.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:10 pm to wadewilson
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Exactly. All the violent crime in NOLA, and we're to believe their homicide rate is lower than Baton Rouge's.
I remember listening to an interview on the radio in NOLA a couple years back when some guy was citing crime statistics about the murder rate and assault with a deadly weapon rates being so out of whack. He said something to the effect of "every would be murderer in New Orleans must be a trained assassin" .
Posted on 4/30/15 at 2:55 pm to kingbob
I remember that.
Posted on 4/30/15 at 3:29 pm to lsu480
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lsu480
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What I quoted is a must read for those that always argue violent crime is at an all-time low
Ronal Serpas was using these EXACT methods with Mitch Landrieu's explicit approval before he got the heave ho as NOPD Chief of Police.
NOLA's got the same issues. Which is ironic considering Simon's 2nd attempt at long-form episodic film-making was set in New Orleans with HBO's "Treme".
ETA: What an excellent perspective on this. For those getting caught up in specific points of what Simon's said here its akin to ignoring the forest for the sake of a few trees worth of hyperbole.
This post was edited on 4/30/15 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 4/30/15 at 4:59 pm to Commandeaux
Great read thanks for sharing
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