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re: Can school administrators change final grades without consulting with teacher?
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:14 pm to Geauxtiga
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:14 pm to Geauxtiga
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Kids shouldn't "fail" for not completing homework if their unit tests are otherwise "A's".
I took it as the kid had been añ A/B student. Made an F because of missed assignments. If the A/B average was maintained by completing those assignments in previous years, why do they deserve a pass for giving a half assed effort?
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Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:18 pm to League Champs
quote:Maybe I read into it.
I took it as the kid had been añ A/B student. Made an F because of missed assignments.
quote:I thought the A/B average was for this year (previous garding periods).
If the A/B average was maintained by completing those assignments in previous years,
quote:I'm not saying he should've received an A but not an F either- if it's homework we're talking about. For one thing, parents and/or older siblings can complete homework so how reliable is that in assessing?
why do they deserve a pass for giving a half assed effort?
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:23 pm to Geauxtiga
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quote: why do they deserve a pass for giving a half assed effort? I'm not saying he should've received an A but not an F either- if it's homework we're talking about. For one thing, parents and/or older siblings can complete homework so how reliable is that in assessing?
It doesn't matter if somebody else could "potentially" do the HW for the kid.
Its an assignment they are supposed to complete.
That assignment is part of their grade and they damn well know it.
I really can't believe people are defending being a lazy student that doesn't do their work.
This post was edited on 12/22/13 at 7:25 pm
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:26 pm to Dr RC
I just had the wrong idea of going to school. I was dumb enough to believe it was to learn the material and get an education. Now, I do not know the purpose of those silly test.
You got me I am lazy. I worked over 40 hrs per week in high school and refused to do homework, often made the highest grade on the test but still often failed due to the homework. I graduated high school with a very very low gpa, yet did well enough on ACT to qualify for a partial scholarship.
I now work 60 hrs per week but yeah, I am teaching my son to be lazy.
BTW, your opinion matters very little to me. It does mean something, because as I irritate you and your ilk I do get a some enjoyment from it.
You got me I am lazy. I worked over 40 hrs per week in high school and refused to do homework, often made the highest grade on the test but still often failed due to the homework. I graduated high school with a very very low gpa, yet did well enough on ACT to qualify for a partial scholarship.
I now work 60 hrs per week but yeah, I am teaching my son to be lazy.
BTW, your opinion matters very little to me. It does mean something, because as I irritate you and your ilk I do get a some enjoyment from it.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:28 pm to Dr RC
quote:I'm not "defending" him/it. Just saying the punishment should fit the crime.
I really can't believe people are defending being a lazy student that doesn't do their work.
Same as not giving someone a lethal injection for failing to signal before changing lanes.
quote:I really can't believe you'd prefer him cheating (having someone else complete it) to get his grade AS LONG AS THE LITTLE MUTHER PHUICKER did what was told of him.
It doesn't matter if somebody else could "potentially" do the HW for the kid.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:30 pm to novabill
quote:Well we can't just go throwing out the "tesses" either pal.
I just had the wrong idea of going to school. I was dumb enough to believe it was to learn the material and get an education. Now, I do not know the purpose of those silly test.
Seriously, they are used to assess material taught. They do have their place.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:32 pm to novabill
Sorry but you are teaching your kid to be lazy.
Too bad if you don't like it but you are teaching your kid a horrible lesson.
Cry me a f-ing river with your I worked 40 hours a week sob story.
I have known plenty of people who did the same and still did their work.
Maybe if you hadn't been such a lazy arse student your grades would have been high enough to get a full ride to a better school, made better connections, and then you wouldn't have to now be working 60 hours a week.
But since you are nothing but an excuse machine (Oh the wife was out of town, Oh I had to work) you didn't.
And good for you for being proud at being an irritating lazy arse that is doing nothing but teaching your kid to half arse his way through life.
Too bad if you don't like it but you are teaching your kid a horrible lesson.
Cry me a f-ing river with your I worked 40 hours a week sob story.
I have known plenty of people who did the same and still did their work.
Maybe if you hadn't been such a lazy arse student your grades would have been high enough to get a full ride to a better school, made better connections, and then you wouldn't have to now be working 60 hours a week.
But since you are nothing but an excuse machine (Oh the wife was out of town, Oh I had to work) you didn't.
And good for you for being proud at being an irritating lazy arse that is doing nothing but teaching your kid to half arse his way through life.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:33 pm to League Champs
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I took it as the kid had been añ A/B student. Made an F because of missed assignments. If the A/B average was maintained by completing those assignments in previous years, why do they deserve a pass for giving a half assed effort?
Dude, he knows the material, is moving to the next grade. It is all good.
Your attitude and those like it from teachers show that it is often not about education. If the grade does not reflect ones mastery of the subject matter then it is meaningless to me.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:34 pm to Dr RC
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I really can't believe people are defending being a lazy student that doesn't do their work.
Power trip. Learn or don't learn as long as you do my work. meh
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:35 pm to Geauxtiga
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quote: It doesn't matter if somebody else could "potentially" do the HW for the kid. I really can't believe you'd prefer him cheating (having someone else complete it) to get his grade AS LONG AS THE LITTLE MUTHER PHUICKER did what was told of him.
of course I dont want them cheating.
But they still should do the work.
hell most of the time its pretty damn easy for a halfway decent teacher to tell if the kid didn't actually do a take home assignment.
and the punishment DOES fit the crime when the kid knows what the HW is a large part of the final grade.
Sorry but its bullshite to just waive it off with a "Well they know it well enough to pass the test" line of thinking.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:37 pm to novabill
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Power trip. Learn or don't learn as long as you do my work. meh
good lord you are like a brick wall of stupid.
yea, lets only do a half arse job and do well enough to move on instead of working hard and earning your way into the best schools with a full ride.
This post was edited on 12/22/13 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:38 pm to Geauxtiga
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Seriously, they are used to assess material taught. They do have their place.
Teachers are ok with failing students that know the material if they do not do the work, that is supposed to support the learning of the material.
As a parent, I want my children to know the material, to be prepared to compete in the marketplace.
My son does his homework, even the stupid busy work like find a word( he would not do that if left to me, but his mom who was a teacher has another view so....) but I focus on whether or not he knows the material.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:42 pm to Dr RC
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good lord you are like a brick wall of stupid.
A brick wall standing up to stupid.
You have your view of education, I have mine.
I want my son to be prepared to make a good living when he enters into the real world. Most education is useless when it comes to this. This why you often see those that are less successful in school, more successful in the market place.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:45 pm to novabill
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I want my son to be prepared to make a good living when he enters into the real world. Most education is useless when it comes to this. This why you often see those that are less successful in school, more successful in the market place.
Your view is idiotic.
If you pushed your kid to get the best grades possible he could get a full ride to a big time school where he can make connections to be more successful in life than if he goes to podunk we'll take anyone that pays U.
Instead you are teaching him to be a lazy arse that only puts in half the effort. Congrats. You are neutering his ability to advance just b/c you yourself were lazy in school.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:52 pm to Dr RC
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Instead you are teaching him to be a lazy arse that only puts in half the effort. Congrats. You are neutering his ability to advance just b/c you yourself were lazy in school.
Yep, you got me.
He has been AB every semester but one. But I am teaching him to be lazy.
I am also teaching him that working a 40 hour week is tantamount to working part time, but I am teaching him to be lazy.
I am actually pretty happy with where I am in life and would be content if he would follow in his dad's footsteps.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:54 pm to novabill
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This why you often see those that are less successful in school, more successful in the market place.
I can promise you that successful people do tons of 'home work' to get to where they are
And the people who might be smarter than they are, who dont put in the extra work, are not as successful. They just like to bitch about how unfair life is
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:58 pm to novabill
quote:But at the end of the day, how can the teacher know the students' level of learning if they don't do the work. Again, I'm not saying a missed homework should fail him but teachers do need to measure what's being learned. If not we might have administrators phuckin with grades like the op said.
Teachers are ok with failing students that know the material if they do not do the work,
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:59 pm to League Champs
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And the people who might be smarter than they are, who dont put in the extra work, are not as successful. They just like to bitch about how unfair life is
Thus my comment about the 40 hour work week. I agree with you.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 8:01 pm to League Champs
quote:Very true.
I can promise you that successful people do tons of 'home work' to get to where they are
Posted on 12/22/13 at 8:04 pm to Geauxtiga
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But at the end of the day, how can the teacher know the students' level of learning if they don't do the work.
Work is required, no doubt. We learn by doing. However, I always thought that was the role that tests played in the system.
I am not anti education, but I am anti educator in many circumstances.
My wife was a special ed teacher. One of her students was integrated into the regular classroom where he really did not have a clue. She had to confront a teacher that was adamant that the student was "going to do her work". Sadly, I do not believe this is a isolated situation. I think many teachers become too focused on making themselves feel important and less concerned about the students actual learning.
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