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Posted on 5/29/17 at 10:49 pm to Brosef Stalin
Blue lives matter laws are just as stupid as hate crime laws. All they do is divide people and say that we are not all equal.
Well said.
Well said.
This post was edited on 5/29/17 at 10:50 pm
Posted on 5/30/17 at 12:13 am to GulfstreamTiger
Why should law enforcement and other public servants be held as the same as a civilian person? But yet if a Leo or other person in public works gets arrested they are held to a higher standard then a normal everyday joe?
Posted on 5/30/17 at 6:37 am to xxGEAUXxx
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Way to go Mizzou
You don't see this everyday on any Rant board
Posted on 5/30/17 at 8:14 am to Wtodd
Cops, who I almost always defend to the max, should be treated no better, and certainly NO WORSE, than anyone else.
That said, society has too often thought along lines of "well, he chose that profession and with it comes certain danger" which I guess is true, but by God if a cop is assaulted or battered, etc., whoever does it should be held as accountable as they would if they assault and batter a nun, a bum, or even any of the experts on the OT.
That said, society has too often thought along lines of "well, he chose that profession and with it comes certain danger" which I guess is true, but by God if a cop is assaulted or battered, etc., whoever does it should be held as accountable as they would if they assault and batter a nun, a bum, or even any of the experts on the OT.
This post was edited on 5/30/17 at 8:15 am
Posted on 5/30/17 at 8:20 am to WaltTeevens
any change in statutes regarding inappropriate police behavior and the very real 'blue wall'?
Posted on 5/30/17 at 8:38 am to FreeState
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Cops, who I almost always defend to the max, should be treated no better, and certainly NO WORSE, than anyone else.
Here's the issue: first I think hate laws are stupid but crimes against cops are completely different. IF a perp will shoot a cop (who is armed), then the line of logic says that the perp will be much more aggressive towards the civilian population. IMO crimes against LE should have stiffer penalties.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 9:05 am to xxGEAUXxx
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So if a fire fighter or EMS worker is assaulted because of the uniform it's okay?
It's no more of a tragedy than a normal person getting assaulted if that's what you mean.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 9:15 am to xxGEAUXxx
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Missouri starting a movement
I thought this would involve a hissy fit over something written on a bathroom stall.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 9:17 am to xxGEAUXxx
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Why should law enforcement and other public servants be held as the same as a civilian person? But yet if a Leo or other person in public works gets arrested they are held to a higher standard then a normal everyday joe?
For starters, LEO are there to literally uphold the law. I mean, that's what the L stands for in LEO...LAW. So, yeah...it kind of stands to reason that they are held to a higher standard when it comes to law breaking since they are the class with the special privilege in enforcing said laws. Throw in their ability to "defend themselves" with deadly force it makes perfect sense they are to be held to a higher standard.
That has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not they should ALSO be given special ranking in terms of whose lives matter more. Remember the backlash to Black Lives Matter with ALL Lives Matter?
If that's true, then they ought to matter equally. Hate crime laws are idiotic and amount to a thought crime. If that;s your stance when it comes to one direction, then if you're able to be intellectually honest you need to be sure you see it that way for all directions.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 9:17 am to NYNolaguy1
In that situation with non law enforcement. If the situation is hostile. EMS and fire should just walk away and quit providing aid
Posted on 5/30/17 at 9:21 am to tiderider
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any change in statutes regarding inappropriate police behavior and the very real 'blue wall'?
Are you upset you got arrested or a cop slept with your wife?
Posted on 5/30/17 at 9:25 am to GeauxTigerTM
I was referring to LEO being punished in court for crimes off duty and being held to a higher standard.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 9:41 am to xxGEAUXxx
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I was referring to LEO being punished in court for crimes off duty and being held to a higher standard.
Irrelevant. If you're a LEO, you're a LEO whether on duty or not. As someone that has special rights and a special duty to uphold and enforce the law, they should be held to the highest standard.
Otherwise, how would they have the moral authority to enforce laws they themselves do not follow? Or are you suggesting that when not in uniform they can break laws but they'll suddenly follow them while on duty?
But again...this is an intellectual honesty thing for me. I abhor hate crimes as they are thought crimes. This is true of a person is killed because they are Black or White, Christian or Muslim, Cop or Garbage Man. The WHY ought not matter as much or more than the actual crime...and we already have laws against murder.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 9:44 am to xxGEAUXxx
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EMS and fire should just walk away and quit providing aid
Maybe they should. It's hard to imagine that anyone running from their duties is fit to serve.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 9:48 am to NYNolaguy1
So EMS and fire have duties to perform aid if being assaulted? Just seems weird if they run from being assaulted or shot they aren't fit for duty?
Posted on 5/30/17 at 9:55 am to xxGEAUXxx
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So EMS and fire have duties to perform aid if being assaulted?
It sounds like they don't have the capacity to do their job. Frankly it sounds like you don't give them enough credit. More than one fireman I know has told me in no unspoken terms that they could die doing their job and if it saved lives it's worth it.
You make it sound like they deserve white feathers for running at the first sign of danger.
Why are we placing people in pedestals again? This is no different than "hate" crime legislation.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:04 am to NYNolaguy1
There job is to protect lives and render aid. Not fight the evil in the world. Many big cities EMS and fire are on scene first or police won't be dispatched to that call. If it rises many times for EMS they should stay and take the assault?
I'm just asking if they are rendering aid or trying to transport the person in need. Then shite hits the fan they are not fit if they feel there lives are in danger if they leave? Ever bring a knife to a gun fight?
I'm just asking if they are rendering aid or trying to transport the person in need. Then shite hits the fan they are not fit if they feel there lives are in danger if they leave? Ever bring a knife to a gun fight?
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:06 am to xxGEAUXxx
Louisiana did this decades ago. Killing a peace officer is one of the few ways to get a first degree murder charge, which is punishable by life in prison without parole or death.
Posted on 5/30/17 at 10:09 am to xxGEAUXxx
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There job is to protect lives and render aid. Not fight the evil in the world. Many big cities EMS and fire are on scene first or police won't be dispatched to that call. If it rises many times for EMS they should stay and take the assault?
Back in the real world that won't happen. If EMS arrives on the scene and they feel it's unsecured they will call for more security from NYPD. Once more security has arrived and secured the scene they will continue providing aid.
The way you talk you make it sound like they just run away at the first sign of danger. I guess we have differing opinions on what duty means.
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