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Posted on 8/28/15 at 8:34 am to Spankum
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ahhhhh, quit bitching about things and show me how to work this damn cell phone...
Dad? Is that you?
Posted on 8/28/15 at 8:35 am to Rickety Cricket
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Depending on industry, the amount of new regulations must be staggering.
Obama and Crew LOVE regulations. Ask any industry not in his back pocket.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 8:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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the greatest generation created the foundation for the issues that we face today. the boomers weren't in power in the early 60s
Their work and the desire to make life better for their kids created the conditions that led the Boomers to be shitty. They made life too easy, which is a double-edged sword.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 8:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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the war on drugs and military-industrial complex became very amped up during the 80s under Reagan. pure boomer territory
I disagree. Pure Boomer territory as you suggest didn't really get going probably until Clinton. Sure there was some Boomer voters but that would be like saying Dubya was the gen X'er president.
This post was edited on 8/28/15 at 8:42 am
Posted on 8/28/15 at 8:39 am to SlowFlowPro
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he greatest generation created the foundation for the issues that we face today. the boomers weren't in power in the early 60s
I always cringed about that "greatest generation" crap.
My generation-boomers-sucks, but the "greatest" was not great.
Like I said, I can barely stand to even talk to most boomers and their "look what I did, why can't you" bullcrap.
Democrat and Republican boomers are both selfish and self centered. Only difference is that Democrat boomers want to give away what other people have while as long as it doesn't affect them.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 8:42 am to dinosaur
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One generation being more intelligent than another?
it's called the flynn effect
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but to blame an entire generation because your life is not what you would like it to be?
MY life is fine. i'm not speaking about me. i'm speaking about raw data and the reality of being a 20-30 year old in modern America
for the record, i'm probably not a "millenial" b/c i'm 32. i kind of sit across multiple generations
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And to say your expectations are what we had is bullshite. We all grew up with the "you can be anything" garbage. It didn't take long to realize that some people aren't able to be successful at anything.
but the opportunities are completely different. and that opportunity issues that the millenials face are not due to anything they have done, yet they are blamed for it. it's a raw deal (hence why i am bringing up facts)
the younger generations were born with $100-200k in debt at fricking birth. then they are brought into a society where mid-level employment is disappearing, so they go to college...and due to government policy (of the boomers), their college education is inflating at insane rates. they do not face the same educational opportunities (in terms of cost) that boomers did. so now on top of that $100-200k in debt at birth, they have to incur $50-100k in debt to get an opportunity at the modern economy. when they enter that modern economy, their wages are suppressed because there are too many boomers who are working very late into life to afford their materialistic chocies, which also inflates the prices of real goods. add in a monetary policy of the boomers to inflate the frick out of our goods, and this further destroys teh earning power of the paltry job opportunities that are presented these kids who are now in super debt
oh yeah, and the boomers expect that when they do retire, the kids assume the tens of trillions in unfunded liabilities that the boomers expect them to pay (when the kids receive nothing in return). so this debt is expanded expnentially and pushed upon these kids due to their birth.
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The biggest difference in the generations is that your group looks to blame someone else instead of just dealing with reality.
the reality kids 20-30 face are shite
the scarier reality is the one they face in 10 years when they are forced to subsidize the lives of the boomers
Posted on 8/28/15 at 8:43 am to RealityTiger
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It should say, "I have a pension to retire on. Where's yours? Oh that's right, my generation ruined that for you."
They successfully turned Pension into a dirty word and then panicked when their 401K's crashed on Monday
Posted on 8/28/15 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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the war on drugs and military-industrial complex became very amped up during the 80s under Reagan. pure boomer territory
Posted on 8/28/15 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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then they are brought into a society where mid-level employment is disappearing, so they go to college...and due to government policy (of the boomers), their college education is inflating at insane rates. they do not face the same educational opportunities (in terms of cost) that boomers did.
Mid Level employment is not disappearing, it's just been redefined. There is some crazy expectation often expressed on this board that making $100K 2 years out of college is the norm and people want the immediate rewards of the education. It's a different kind of work ethic based on education, while in the past, it's been about hard work and building a career. We are all too dismissive of the trades as a solid and financially rewarding career path. The cycle of learning a trade, getting a lower entry-wage job, becoming very good at it, starting your own business, then hiring others to make money for you and building a business is no longer an aspiration.
I completely agree that the cost of college education is a ridiculous burden with a questionable ROI. I'm only 45 and my college tuition was ~1200/semester, that's crazy inflation in 25 years.
I still maintain that hard work, talent, and social skills result in success.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 8:56 am to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
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I still maintain that hard work, talent, and social skills result in success.
So do I.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Starts Iraq and Afghanistan wars
Millennials fight those wars
Still complains about millennials
Best one.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:06 am to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
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while in the past, it's been about hard work and building a career
easy to do when opportunities are plentiful
when opportunities get scarce, like they are today, the competition for those opportunities drives salaries/benefits down
i'm a capitalist. i'm not asking for government to fix this problem. i'm just stating that this is a problem and boomers cannot relate
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We are all too dismissive of the trades as a solid and financially rewarding career path. The cycle of learning a trade, getting a lower entry-wage job, becoming very good at it, starting your own business, then hiring others to make money for you and building a business is no longer an aspiration.
again, even here, the regulatory and economic jungle that youths would face doing this is nothing like the easy road the boomers had to do the same
it's not impossible, but it's a lot more costly, risky, and difficult
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I still maintain that hard work, talent, and social skills result in success.
i don't disagree, but we're dealing with tens of millions of employees (or potential employees). this is a macro-level problem and we're not just talking about the super successful. we have tens of millions of regular people who need regular jobs, and to get there we need boomers to get out of the market, basically (and a great gift would be not to make us pay for their retirement and healthcare)
i mean there is one sector keeping our economy propped up right now and insulating retirement investment accounts. that sector is tech, and it's dominated by non-boomers. so obviously it is possible for non-boomers to succeed, being they are teh ones giving our entire economy CPR
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:11 am to SlowFlowPro
Once again, hard working, successful people see all those things you listed as obstacles to overcome, not excuses to give up.
Why is it more difficult, costly, or risky for a plumber to be successful today than it was 50 years ago?
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again, even here, the regulatory and economic jungle that youths would face doing this is nothing like the easy road the boomers had to do the same
it's not impossible, but it's a lot more costly, risky, and difficult
Why is it more difficult, costly, or risky for a plumber to be successful today than it was 50 years ago?
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:14 am to CajunAlum Tiger Fan
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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MY life is fine. i'm not speaking about me. i'm speaking about raw data and the reality of being a 20-30 year old in modern America
for the record, i'm probably not a "millenial" b/c i'm 32. i kind of sit across multiple generations
Yea, there's the disconnect here.
My life is awesome. I have undergrad and graduate degrees from two of the best universities in the country. I've worked my arse off and get paid well for what I do. I'm not talking about myself here.
I can still recognize that the Boomer financial burden and horrid economic conditions are going to leave my generation in a shitter for a very long time. These people - Work hard! Make opportunity! I started three companies! - just cannot recognize that.
Oh yea, I also fought in a war and lost friends in a war started by Boomers and fought almost exclusively by Millennials. So they can get right the frick out of here.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
Also on non federal government levels, state regs and licensure are a completely different animal these days. They've expanded as much as the feds.
Then you get to boom3r monetary policy, which makes getting a loan for a small business almost impossible (esp without the history in the industry that licensure and the lack of jobs prevent the entrepreneur from attaining)
Then you get to boom3r monetary policy, which makes getting a loan for a small business almost impossible (esp without the history in the industry that licensure and the lack of jobs prevent the entrepreneur from attaining)
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
That's a stretch. None of these things interfere with the ability of a plumber to be successful because all costs associated with compliance for any regulatory item is passed on to customers as a cost of doing business.
I'll use this plumber example again with a personal story: I had a pretty big, messy plumbing project I needed taken care of urgently (replacing a 600 ft gas line to my home). I had three plumbers come to look at the job only to never hear from them again. Finally, I found a young plumber recently out on his own with a small crew and he jumped at the chance to make good money. He was a hard working kid and I don't think he finished high school, but he's going to be very successful in his life.
He wasn't looking for excuses to turn down the job because he had reasons to take it.
I'll use this plumber example again with a personal story: I had a pretty big, messy plumbing project I needed taken care of urgently (replacing a 600 ft gas line to my home). I had three plumbers come to look at the job only to never hear from them again. Finally, I found a young plumber recently out on his own with a small crew and he jumped at the chance to make good money. He was a hard working kid and I don't think he finished high school, but he's going to be very successful in his life.
He wasn't looking for excuses to turn down the job because he had reasons to take it.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:33 am to tiggerthetooth
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All true.
So it is ok so say tuition is 400$ but in the next slide that use inflation to say 17k is actually 47k?
and the Worst global economy the world has seen? lol well this economy hasnt collapsed the whole world like the fall of the roman empire and many other times in the the history of the world.
Posted on 8/28/15 at 9:35 am to CarRamrod
Are you really comparing the ancient world to the complex, interdependent global economy we have today?
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