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re: Arguments as to why they shouldn't legalize prostitution in America

Posted on 8/9/14 at 12:37 am to
Posted by constant cough
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 12:37 am to
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Arguments as to why they shouldn't legalize prostitution in America



Cause the government loves to regulate everyone's safety and his is one industry that really needs it.
Posted by The Third Leg
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 1:46 am to
If the world's most beautiful women sold their pussies, peace would be universal and effortless. Peace is not highly profitable. The end.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:54 am to
I personally don't think it's anyone's business what two consenting adults do behind closed doors.

But this issues got me to thinking. So I started to look for a valid reason that prostitution should not be legal. These are the best arguments I've found....

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"Even if a prostitute is being tested every week for HIV, she will test negative for at least the first 4-6 weeks and possibly the first 12 weeks after being infected.... This means that while the test is becoming positive and the results are becoming known, that prostitute may expose up to 630 clients to HIV. This is under the best of circumstances with testing every week and a four-week window period. It also assumes that the prostitute will quit working as soon as he or she finds out the test is HIV positive, which is highly unlikely. This is not the best approach for actually reducing harm. Instead, in order to slow the global spread of HIV/AIDS we should focus our efforts on abolishing prostitution."

Jeffrey J. Barrows, D.O.
Health Consultant on Human Trafficking for the Christian Medical Association
"HIV and Prostitution: What's the Answer?" The Center for Bioethics and Human Dignity website
Sep. 9, 2005




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: "Some prostitution defenders argue that prostitution is an acceptable solution to poverty....
What they mean, but do not say, is that prostitution is an acceptable solution for women living in poverty. Seldom do we see proposals that poor men should make their way out of poverty by welcoming the insertion of penises and other objects into them on a regular basis or dance naked on a stage in front of ogling and masturbating males.
The prostitution industry exploits to its advantage the fact that most women and children who are in prostitution come from the most oppressed and vulnerable groups in society."

Gunilla S. Ekberg
Special Advisor on prostitution and trafficking in women at the Swedish Division for Gender Equality
Speech in Stockholm


I can see what they're saying and I agree it's a serious issues in that prostitution drives the human trafficking and sex trade industry. And I'm highly doubtful that legalization of prostitution would eliminate this problem. I say this because I just don't see a flood of women suddenly deciding to become prostitutes just because it's now legal. Thus there would never be enough "legal" prostitutes to eliminate the demand for "illegal" (underage & sex slaves) ones.

But I still say that if a grown woman (or man) wants to enter into a business agreement with another adult for sexual services, I think they should be able to do so.

I just don't know how we should address the problems I listed above.

This post was edited on 8/9/14 at 8:56 am
Posted by BestBanker
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:59 am to
Then there's the whole 21 day incubation period for that whole ebola thing.

Just throwing it in here for additional virus/disease talk. Just say nobola.
Posted by Cajun Revolution
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 8:59 am to
Good post Darth.

I would frame this post.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:15 am to
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Then there's the whole 21 day incubation period for that whole ebola thing.

Just throwing it in here for additional virus/disease talk. Just say nobola.


Well, you actually have a point....

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When it comes to STDs and specifically, STD testing windows, you want to make sure you’re testing at the right time – lest you receive a false negative or positive, right?

If you have an STD, you want to know with certainty so you can treat it or start managing it; and if you don’t have one, you also want to know that without question!

So, here’s your go-to guide for the most commonly tested STDs – the ones the clinics often test for free or very low cost and the ones you can even order tests for right in the comfort of your own home…

After someone is exposed to a disease and becomes infected, there is generally a period of time before a test will show positive. That period is known as the window period, and it is different from the incubation period, which, is the time that passes between being exposed to a disease and starting to experience symptoms. STD testing windows vary by STD, so it’s important to make sure you’ve matched the window period with the specific STD(s) you are getting tested.

With that in mind, typical STD testing windows are:

Chlamydia Urine Test:
Possible Detection – Within the first week
Most Likely Detection – 2 Weeks
Highest Accuracy – 4 Weeks

Gonorrhea Urine Test:
Possible Detection – Within the first week
Most Likely Detection – 1-2 Weeks
Highest Accuracy – 2-3 Weeks

Herpes Simplex 1 & 2 Blood Test:
Possible Detection – 2-4 Weeks
Most Likely Detection – 6-12 Weeks
Highest Accuracy – 12-16 Weeks

Syphilis Blood Test:
Possible Detection – 1-2 Weeks
Most Likely Detection – 6 Weeks
Highest Accuracy – 12 Weeks

HIV Antibody Test *:
Possible Detection – 3 Weeks
Most Likely Detection – 4-6 Weeks
Highest Accuracy – 12 Weeks
HIV Early Detection Test **:
Possible Detection – 1-2 Weeks
Most Likely Detection – 3 Weeks
Highest Accuracy – 3-4 Weeks

Hepatitis A Blood Test:
Possible Detection – 2-3 Weeks
Most Likely Detection – 3-6 Weeks
Highest Accuracy – 6-7 Weeks

Hepatitis B Blood Test:
Possible Detection – 1-6 Weeks
Most Likely Detection – 6-10 Weeks
Highest Accuracy – 12 Weeks

Hepatitis C Blood Test:
Possible Detection – 4-5 Weeks
Most Likely Detection – 6-9 Weeks
Highest Accuracy – 10-12 Weeks

Lastly, it’s essential to remember, during incubation or window periods, an infected person can transmit the infection/disease to someone else.

So, get re-tested after 6 months of receiving a negative result to ensure a false-negative did not occur if your partner tested positive for an STD, you believe you received a false-negative, you are experiencing symptoms, or you were newly exposed.

*According to the CDC, most people infected with HIV will develop detectable antibodies within 25 days of exposure and 97% of people will have HIV antibodies by three months after exposure.

**STD testing experts recommend confirming this with the ELISA HIV test , which is considered the gold standard in HIV testing, at 3 months post-exposure.





LINK

After reading this, I'd say that even weekly STD tests for prostitutes is almost worthless at catching much of anything before she (or he) spreads STD's to potentially hundreds of people.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:17 am to
That's the best and only legitimate answer I've seen.

Obviously condoms would be required, but we all know the risks imvolved with them.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:24 am to
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That's the best and only legitimate answer I've seen.

Obviously condoms would be required, but we all know the risks imvolved with them.


Well based on those figures I can understand why a society would want to discourage the practice of prostitution.

I've got to admit, I'm conflicted on where to stand here. On the one hand there is the rights of consenting adults. But on the other hand there is the reality that prostitution brings the very real possibility of spreading STD's to the level of possible epidemic proportions.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:41 am to
Draconian religious affiliated morals.

The government could require a licence like the fda does and it would vastly improve are reduce the dangers of prostitution
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:46 am to
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Draconian religious affiliated morals.

The government could require a licence like the fda does and it would vastly improve are reduce the dangers of prostitution


Gee, couldn't you consider all religious affiliated morals to be draconian? What do you suggest we base morals on if not religion?
Posted by dawg4lyfe
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:52 am to
Only 2 good ones are sex trafficking and underage girls lying about their age being prostitutes.
Posted by LordSaintly
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:57 am to
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Posted by Wayne Campbell
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 9:57 am to
The real issue is will legal prostitution increase sex trafficking and STD transmission over the current illegal numbers.

Maybe it wouldn't decrease them, though that seems more likely than an increase. By that logic, it makes sense to me to legalize.
Posted by LordSaintly
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 10:03 am to
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Posted by northLAgoomba
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 10:06 am to
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Arguments as to why they shouldn't legalize prostitution in America
Same as the arguments against weed:

1. The streets will be constantly flooded with people high on weed (fricking).

2. It will encourage children to smoke weed (frick), and it will destroy their tiny undeveloped brains.

3. Smoking weed (fricking) is a gateway activity that will lead to more serious things such as heroin (rape).

4. Jesus never smoked weed (fricked), therefore it's bad.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 10:06 am to
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Draconian religious affiliated morals.

The government could require a licence like the fda does and it would vastly improve are reduce the dangers of prostitution


This is true only as long as everyone involved follow proper condom use 100% of the time, which will never happen. And even then there is still STD transmission risk involved. Under the best and most ideal conditions, the STD risk is lessened but not eliminated. But in a brothel where the standards are not so high (ever seen a restaurant with a poor health rating? Same concept here) the potential of spreading a variety of STDs to literally hundreds of people per week is very real.

As was shown above, STD testing can stop someone from spreading disease only after they've been spreading it for anywhere from a week or two or even over a month. Take syphilis for example. A prostitute will probably be infected for at least 6 weeks, maybe as much as 12, before a test will show it. A test MIGHT catch it in a week or two but the odds are it won't. Even if she's tested weekly, imagine how many people she will expose to syphilis before she knows she has it.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 10:11 am to
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2. It will encourage children to smoke weed (frick), and it will destroy their tiny undeveloped brains.


If fricking destroys the brain then that explains why there are so many morons in the world. And why nerds are smart.
Posted by LordSaintly
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 10:13 am to
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Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 10:15 am to
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This is true only as long as everyone involved follow proper condom use 100% of the time, which will never happen


That would be the postitutes responsibility.

When I go to a restaurant I assume they've had all the proper precautions and sanitations in place. If not, I get sick and they get shut down.

Same with prostitutes. And if you bang a prostitute then you have the implied risk of getting an std. You know the rules and the risks.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 8/9/14 at 10:16 am to
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Even if she's tested weekly, imagine how many people she will expose to syphilis before she knows she has it. 



They may develop a faster test. There's no need or market for that kind of test now so it doesn't exist.
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