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Are we seeing the end of the mainstream media?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:57 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 10:57 am
With millennials moving away from traditional media and other people moving towards online media, does traditional media become outdated in the next decade? Older people, who are less likely to use new forms of media, will pass away and no longer purchase newspapers or watch nightly national news. What consequences does this create going forward?
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Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:07 am to Lickitty Split
They are fighting hard against the online insurgence of new media and social media, but I honestly think they are losing.
The old school broadcast networks as well as CNN, WaPo, and NYT's are basically unreadable/unwatchable when if the subject matter touches domestic politics in any way. In the case of the NYT, it is an excellent paper outside of that aspect.
Local publications have been slowly dying for a long time as well with expensive subscriptions, poor content, biased reporting, and clunky websites.
IMO they did this to themselves. They could have held ground more easily against the new internet based upstarts and social media if they had maintained their integrity and honesty. In many cases, they've gone off the deep end with obvious bias and lazy reporting, which tarnished their brands significantly.
The old school broadcast networks as well as CNN, WaPo, and NYT's are basically unreadable/unwatchable when if the subject matter touches domestic politics in any way. In the case of the NYT, it is an excellent paper outside of that aspect.
Local publications have been slowly dying for a long time as well with expensive subscriptions, poor content, biased reporting, and clunky websites.
IMO they did this to themselves. They could have held ground more easily against the new internet based upstarts and social media if they had maintained their integrity and honesty. In many cases, they've gone off the deep end with obvious bias and lazy reporting, which tarnished their brands significantly.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:07 am to Lickitty Split
More poorly written online articles with pages full of ads
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:08 am to Lickitty Split
One can hope.....
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:14 am to member12
Do you think we gain any benefits from the old media losing its grip on the narrative?
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:20 am to Rockbrc
CNN for example:
-They ran entire segments on the concentration camps that Trump was going to make homosexuals go to.
-They reported the "hands up don't shoot" narrative as fact for months after the Ferguson debacle.
-They convicted the Duke LaCrosse team of rape every night for weeks despite being completely inaccurate.
-They got caught rigging a Democratic primary debate in favor of their chosen political candidate.
-They speculated that Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 flew into a black hole
-They delayed reported the race and description of the terror suspect in Orlando for almost half a day after it was made known.
-Their coverage of the Alton Sterling shooting was downright atrocious and irresponsibly detached from reality.
They used to be a trusted cable news source.
They serve no value to me with that crap. If you want to be a news network, report the news and avoid slant. The entire industry is begging for disruption by being more focused on controlling a particular narrative instead of providing value to the viewer with factual reporting. More people trust politicians than the media right now.
Good riddance.
-They ran entire segments on the concentration camps that Trump was going to make homosexuals go to.
-They reported the "hands up don't shoot" narrative as fact for months after the Ferguson debacle.
-They convicted the Duke LaCrosse team of rape every night for weeks despite being completely inaccurate.
-They got caught rigging a Democratic primary debate in favor of their chosen political candidate.
-They speculated that Malaysian Airlines Flight 370 flew into a black hole
-They delayed reported the race and description of the terror suspect in Orlando for almost half a day after it was made known.
-Their coverage of the Alton Sterling shooting was downright atrocious and irresponsibly detached from reality.
They used to be a trusted cable news source.
They serve no value to me with that crap. If you want to be a news network, report the news and avoid slant. The entire industry is begging for disruption by being more focused on controlling a particular narrative instead of providing value to the viewer with factual reporting. More people trust politicians than the media right now.
Good riddance.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 11:23 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:22 am to member12
Fox is just as bad or worse than CNN.
You can't get unbiased news at a national level. It just doesn't exist.
You can't get unbiased news at a national level. It just doesn't exist.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:22 am to Lickitty Split
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Do you think we gain any benefits from the old media losing its grip on the narrative?
The benefits are that you can consume more information instead of the narrative you're being spoon fed to try and shape your opinion. Ultimately, it's going to be on each individual person to consume the information and make their own judgments and form their own opinions. New media gives you more options and fosters more discussion IMO.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:25 am to TheIndulger
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Fox is just as bad or worse than CNN. You can't get unbiased news at a national level. It just doesn't exist.
Yep. Too many people greasing the wheels behind the scenes to ever get a straight story out of national news brands.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 11:26 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:26 am to JasonMason
The problem with that is people don't look for information, they just look for confirmation
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:27 am to TheIndulger
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Fox is just as bad or worse than CNN.
You can't get unbiased news at a national level. It just doesn't exist.
Fox is part of the MSM. I don't think anyone wasn't including them. The opinions that "x is just as bad or worse than y" doesn't really do anything to fix the problem. It just makes a conversation devolve into picking teams. (I'm not meaning to attack what you said with this statement because I agree the MSM as a whole is no different from CBS to Fox to MSNBC to CNN).
We have to get to a point where people are open to discussion about things they don't agree on. You aren't going to get there watching MSM with people just yelling at each other or being smarmy. The MSM has helped stoke this environment that you have to either be team D or team R. Ride till you die baw.
Really, we just need to talk to each other and be willing to make cases for our positions. People don't have to always come to the same conclusion or an agreement, but we have to be willing to just listen and understand people instead of trying to just shut people up.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 11:30 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:28 am to Salmon
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The problem with that is people don't look for information, they just look for confirmation
Yes. You're absolutely right and that's kind of what I was getting at. If you want the facts and be able to form an opinion on something you mostly have to do the work yourself. One of the biggest things the MSM is guilty of isn't necessarily lying to their viewers faces with statements they make, it's with leaving out things they should tell you.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:29 am to Lickitty Split
The MSM (Fox, CNN, MSNBC) are just tools to sell boomers gold and life insurance because they are the only ones with the free time to watch that shite all day.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:31 am to Lickitty Split
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What consequences does this create going forward?
None, and I was raised on 3 TV stations and the newspaper for the news alone. They need to go away because they've proven throughout my lifetime to be purely agenda driven, and very slanted in both what they deem is newsworthy, and what you should think about it too.
That's not news. That's brain washing.... Time to go away, and make room for better journalism, or at least more competition, and as a Capitalist, I believe that competition has proven to alway make things better. Nobody suffers from too many options to pick from, but the power in the hands of the few is a cruel overseer.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:33 am to TheIndulger
Fox is NOT as bad as CNN. CNN manufactures lies. Fox has opinionated and biased shows at night, but during the day they at least report the news factually. CNN will absolutely ignore real news that doesn't fit their twisted sick liberal agenda, and manufacture a false narrative of lies. They are evil shills for the globalist agenda.
eta: that being said, I am no fan at all of Fox News, but they are the "least worst" of all the MSM.
eta: that being said, I am no fan at all of Fox News, but they are the "least worst" of all the MSM.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 11:38 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:34 am to Lickitty Split
People will continuously look for the information they want to hear rather than seeking the truth, regardless of the source. We live in a world where we can no longer rely on our traditional news outlets to report unbiased facts because they are controlled by agenda driven elites. Fortunately, not all social media can be controlled by those elites which drives them nuts. Thank the lord these resources exist because it is the only way to inform the public of stories we otherwise would never get to read or hear about. However, the same outlets also provide a stage the snowflakes to read and hear about whatever topic they want to believe is true as well. Basically, if you seek fact based truth and are smart enough to to decipher the source/skewed/biased/or agenda driven material contained within, then you are the minority.
This post was edited on 9/21/17 at 11:35 am
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:36 am to TheIndulger
You're right. Fox's slogan is Fair and Balanced but they have never shied away from the fact hat they have a conservative lean.
ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN have tried to say how neutral they are despite people knowing the exact opposite.
The internet has allowed people to finally see who hear anchors are, where they come from, and what hey may be biased about. If people at hear networks were honest, I don't think they would have been rejected as soundly as they have been
ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN have tried to say how neutral they are despite people knowing the exact opposite.
The internet has allowed people to finally see who hear anchors are, where they come from, and what hey may be biased about. If people at hear networks were honest, I don't think they would have been rejected as soundly as they have been
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:36 am to Lickitty Split
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Are we seeing the end of the mainstream media?
The worst thing the media did was take sides, and not just report the facts and let the people decide. I hope they all go out of business by doing this.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:41 am to kywildcatfanone
Except they are just being replaced by even more partisan outlets.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 11:46 am to Salmon
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Except they are just being replaced by even more partisan outlets.
Not always. There are extreme partisan outlets for sure on both sides, but we are relying on people in masses to not just look for confirmation.
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