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Posted on 3/14/24 at 4:54 pm to Tarps99
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Imagine if the vaginal injury was 10 inches inside, your defense attorney then comes out and says as a defense you have a small peen of 4-5 inches erect and could not have injured the victim in that manner.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 4:56 pm to lostinbr
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Based on what we’ve seen to-date, I think she probably did intend to go home with the juvenile defendant
She definitely ran to catch up with them, but who knows why she went. They could have offered her a ride home, said they were going to a party, to get food, get her drugs, anything.
The whole scenario is kind of weird, but even Ted Bundy's victims, for the most part, willingly got into his car.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:01 pm to HouseMom
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who knows why she wen
Ostensibly, she needed a ride home. If there's more than that I have not seen it.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:15 pm to AlwysATgr
Agreed. I'm just seeing a lot of "she clearly wanted to hook up" and just wondering where that's coming from. Girls can hang all over a guy in a bar and not actually have plans with them beyond that.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:18 pm to HouseMom
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. I'm just seeing a lot of "she clearly wanted to hook up" and just wondering where that's coming from. Girls can hang all over a guy in a bar and not actually have plans with them beyond that.
Girls can also hang all over a guy at the bar and absolutely want to hook up. Why does the innocent one seem more likely to you than the other version?
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 3/14/24 at 5:33 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
One doesn't seem more likely that the other. Just pointing out that we have no idea why she decided to get in the car with them.
ETA... I would think that if she planned to "go home" with one of the guys, she would have walked out with the group. They were half way to the car by the time she ran up to them.
ETA... I would think that if she planned to "go home" with one of the guys, she would have walked out with the group. They were half way to the car by the time she ran up to them.
This post was edited on 3/14/24 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 3/14/24 at 6:11 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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You're pretty cavalier about men being dragged in to court to defend themselves against bullshite charges. In most cases, having to go to court is damn near as bad as a conviction. People's lives and reputations are wrecked because of that. Not to mention the mental and emotional toll of a prospective prison sentence.
You're way too casual in your dismissal.
I suppose I can see how you might interpret it that way, but that wasn’t my intention.
I get that the whole concept of male vs. female intoxication plays a huge part in how many people view this case. I understand that there’s a commonly-accepted perception that drunk men can consent and drunk women somehow cannot. And I totally agree that many men have had their lives ruined over bullshite accusations.
That being said, I don’t know that there is a problem with the law as many people seem to think. Anyone can accuse anybody else of anything. It doesn’t mean the accused person actually violated the law. It doesn’t mean the accused person will be arrested or charged. The accusation can still be life-ruining on its own but that doesn’t mean there’s a problem with the rape statute itself.
I also don’t think it’s entirely reasonable to make this case into some sort of case study in “date rape” as a whole because, for reasons I’ve already pointed out in this thread, I don’t really think it’s at all similar to the types of cases people are thinking about when they make that comparison.
Posted on 3/14/24 at 6:38 pm to Commandeaux
What if she was a freak and it was a multi-guy gang bang the day before, would this matter to anyone? If it was my arse or one of my kids arse on the line I would want that possibility to be explored. I like to think I raise my sons better than that and they wouldn't be near a situation like that with that mix of guys
Posted on 3/14/24 at 9:21 pm to Triggerr
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What if she was a freak and it was a multi-guy gang bang the day before, would this matter to anyone?
How would that affect her BAC the next day?
Posted on 5/2/24 at 7:09 pm to lostinbr
I read somewhere that the attorney for Ashley Baustert saw the video and he said that Madison can be heard saying "get off". In the lawsuit brought by her dad, the affidavit also mentions that video where she can be heard saying "get off"
Posted on 5/2/24 at 8:32 pm to beauchristopher
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65865 posts Back to top Posted on 3/12/24 at 1:22 pm to Indefatigable How do you begin to prove such a thing? How do you prove it was the day before? How do you prove it is the reason behind rape like injuries? This is ridiculous. These guys clearly took advantage of her state of mind for some reason and then just dumped her. Wasn't one of the suspects involved in another rape case? LINK
So, the defense doesn’t have to prove anything, Reasonable doubt is sufficient to acquit. How does a prosecuting attorney bring a case? She was sexually active, drunk, got into a vehicle, asked to be let go from vehicle, got run over. Poor chooses have consequences. Was she with some thugs? Did they drug her? Did they force her against her will? I don’t have the answers. It is a tragic situation. “ Fire burns and when it rains the earth gets wet”,
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