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Alabama HS Athletic Association Embarrasses Itself Again - Hoover High Baseball

Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:43 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:43 am
I wasn't sure where to put this topic, so please feel free to move it if this is the wrong board.

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AHSAA’s Central Board denies Hoover appeal regarding baseball coach Adam Moseley’s status


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The Alabama High School Athletic Association’s Central Board of Control on Wednesday morning denied an appeal by Hoover High School that could have allowed Adam Moseley to coach his baseball team this season.

Moseley was one of the coaches on the USA Baseball Under 18 National Team in September. The roster for that team, which won the gold medal, included one of his Hoover players.

According to an AHSAA bylaw written and voted into the constitution by member schools, a coach in any sport cannot coach one of his players in competition outside of season during the school year. Since the games took place in September, a violation took place.

When this happens, according to the AHSAA rule book, it “renders that student or the offending coach ineligible in the sport in which the violation occurred for that school season.” Moseley plans to sit out this season so his student can play.


Good on the coach for stepping aside for a season so his player can play. He comes out looking like an absolute saint in this and now has the backing of the entire community.

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One of their main arguments was that Moseley, who was the pitching coach for Team USA, did not coach his Hoover player, who was not a pitcher.

“I’m also extremely disappointed that the AHSAA does not accept documentation from USA baseball, the governing body of our sport, with regards to the role I played and whether or not I coached the player,” Moseley said.


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Former Hoover and Auburn star Sonny DiChiara, Alabama baseball coach Brad Bohannon, UAB coach Casey Dunn and ESPN basketball commentator Jay Bilas have been among those defending Moseley on social media platforms this week.


Clearly, the intent of this rule wasn't to prevent people from representing their country in international competition, but in this case he wasn't even coaching the player! Of course the AHSAA can't help itself but to be a complete embarrassment to the state of Alabama every single year.

Remember last year when the AHSAA made national news because they refused to move a basketball game's time on the same day and forced a seventh day adventist school to forfeit in the state semifinals? LINK

Or in 2019 when the AHSAA made national news because they ruled a girls basketball player was ineligible because she got an extremely small check from Team USA basketball that should have been allowed anyway? LINK

Well, here we go again.

These folks are doing everything they can to make everyone in this state angry with them, and I hope the state government begins to take note and abolishes the AHSAA completely.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 9:44 am
Posted by Cosmo
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:47 am to
Youth baseball is serious business
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:48 am to
I've been seeing this on twitter a lot because I follow a lot of baseball accounts.

It's super fricking dumb. The excuse that he didn't actually coach his player is flimsy, but it shouldn't be an issue in the first place.

This is them sticking to letter of the rule, ignoring the spirit of the rule. And looking like idiots for it.

ETA: They're sticking to the letter of the rule because it absolves them of having to do any sort of actual thinking.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 9:50 am
Posted by ProjectP2294
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:49 am to
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Youth baseball is serious business



It's high school baseball and Team USA baseball.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:49 am to
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According to an AHSAA bylaw written and voted into the constitution by member schools, a coach in any sport cannot coach one of his players in competition outside of season during the school year.
rules are rules

Not sure what the problem is
Posted by SuperSaint
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:50 am to
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This is them sticking to letter of the rule, ignoring the spirit of the rule
so it's baseball
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:51 am to
He knew the rules.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:51 am to
In a way, he was sort of frickin around.
Posted by HottyToddy7
Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:51 am to
The rules are in place so a coach can't get his team and play fall ball and basically practice/play year round. it would lead to kids not playing other sports and crazy coaches being crazy.

I understand the rule and the slippery slope argument. What precedents does this set?

But overall this should be an exception to the rule.
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:56 am to
Yea I understand rules are rules, and if you follow them to the T, then this guy broke them. However, they might as well just do away with the appeals process if they aren’t going to approve this.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:58 am to
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The rules are in place so a coach can't get his team and play fall ball and basically practice/play year round. it would lead to kids not playing other sports and crazy coaches being crazy.

I understand the rule and the slippery slope argument. What precedents does this set?

But overall this should be an exception to the rule.



I believe the LHSAA allows a HS coach to have 2 of their players on a non-school team. It's been a long time since I've had to know the rule but I used to coach HS and travel ball. Used that rule frequently.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:59 am to
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I understand the rule and the slippery slope argument.


Most state high school associations have exceptions for things like this. Apparently the AHSAA is just filled with morons.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50527 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:00 am to
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He knew the rules.


They communicated with the AHSAA every step of the way and the coach was led to believe he would have to pay a fine, not sit out the entire year. Had he not been led to believe that, he wouldn't have coached for Team USA.

Of course, reading the actual article would have told you that.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 10:01 am
Posted by nicklsu
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Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:03 am to
This is ridiculous. Here in OH, depending on the sport, a HS coach can coach his players in the offseason as long as there are not too many of them on the same team. I coach lacrosse, and in the offseason, I am limited to coaching only 6 players at a time. For reference, there are 10 players on the field at a time.

This is done to prevent full school teams competing in tournaments, etc. in the offseason and getting more coaching than those who don't have that opportunity.
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:04 am to
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he would have to pay a fine, not sit out the entire year.


He fricked around and expected to fine out?

Sorry bub. That’s why we preach grammar so much here. One letter can make all the difference.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:04 am to
i can't imagine caring about this
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:05 am to
Should they make an exception for Hoover High?

I'm guessing, ummmmm no.

Bad form by the Coach and/or Hoover High to pursue this issue.



Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50527 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:05 am to
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He fricked around and expected to fine out?

Sorry bub. That’s why we preach grammar so much here. One letter can make all the difference.


I think you're being sarcastic, but just to be sure: I did use the word correctly.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50527 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:06 am to
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Should they make an exception for Hoover High?



Yes, they should definitely make an exception here. This clearly is not what the rule was put in place to prevent.

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Bad form by the Coach and/or Hoover High to pursue this issue.


You're wrong, and eventually AHSAA will be forced to accept that they are wrong too.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 10:07 am
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50527 posts
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:08 am to
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i can't imagine caring about this


Some of us realize the positive influence of high school sports, and are appalled at clear overreach such as this.
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