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re: A question about the ISIS beheadings

Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:17 pm to
Posted by Rebel
Graceland
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:17 pm to
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If so, how are they so calm?


I suspect they do "drills" daily. They prisoners probably think it's probably just part of the routine and they are going back to their holding cell right after.

Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9454 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:18 pm to
There are a lot of Americans working in the Middle East. From my perspective, they are primarily mercenaries. I'm not talking about Xe, Triple Canopy, et al security contractors, who are, of course, actual mercenaries. But most others, with the exception of career foreign service officers and most humanitarian aid groups, are just there for the higher pay.

If you're there for the money, you should also be willing to accept the intrinsic risks that accompany your larger paycheck and tax advantages. In that neck of the woods, those risks include political instability, religious xenophobia, random bombings and the occasional beheading.

I don't claim to know what the answer is, but my feeling is that we can't JDAM our way out of this problem. Unless a new Hitler comes to power with Muslims as his/her scapegoat, we can't "kill 'em all".
Posted by NatalbanyTigerFan
On the water somewhere
Member since Oct 2007
7603 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:19 pm to
I saw the cartel video of the 4 women that were killed and nothing about that video suggested quick and painless to me. The guy swinging the ax trying to chop the one woman's head off was beyond evil.
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2005
73144 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:21 pm to
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I could not fathom being in that situation, but I have no idea how I would sit still. Would rather be killed on the run then having my head cut off. I guess they threaten a worse death, torture and prolonged over hours/days. Don't even like thinking about it
I'm sure some have tried to run

they may "punish" people who run and promise a painless death to those who don't.

Also, you have to remember that many of the people in that area beheaded are extremely religious and accept their fate
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:24 pm to
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White Roach

I understand what you're saying and I'm not trying to be argumentative. I've actually had an offer to do some contract work over there and the money offered was the only reason I didn't immediately say GTFO. I guess what I'm trying to say that any civilian that goes into that region is fully aware of the potential consequences beforehand.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
33109 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:28 pm to
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If so, how are they so calm? I would be a mess.


You don't know that, because you've never been that close to certain death.
Fight or flight is out of the picture by that point. They are just trying to find peace.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98184 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:30 pm to
Protocol for executions in the United States is to give the condemned valium. Presumably something similar is happening with these unfortunate people (and I am not equating the two scenarios, except that people figure out what works and what doesn't.) Also, I think when the string runs out and you know it's hopeless, your mind sort of detaches as a defense mechanism. People just rarely seem to fight in these situations, regardless of who's being executed, why, or by whom.
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9454 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:39 pm to
777Tiger:

I agree 100% w/ your comment. If you go there, be aware of what you're getting into. Journalist, oil field engineer, truck driver or whatever... It's an unstable area of the world and Westerners are often viewed as an evil and corrupting influence by the religious fundamentalists.

Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
6529 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 12:51 pm to
The real question is why we haven't destroyed the entire area. We are not going to meet their demands because they don't have a solution and will always have a reason to claim persecution. Kill an American and we will make your little shite hole glow in the dark is the only solution. Anyone remember the video clip of the small kid punching the big kid then all the sudden the little kid gets dropped? I'm guessing the other little shite heads saw that and reconsidered fricking with the big kid. This is what we need to do to crush this group and act as a deterrent to future cowards.
Posted by Mohican
Member since Nov 2012
6179 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:11 pm to
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You don't know that, because you've never been that close to certain death.
Fight or flight is out of the picture by that point. They are just trying to find peace.




This. None of us can even fathom the psychology of certain death by another human being. If, logically, death is certain, resistance is futile and slow torture is the consequence of such resistance, you just want it to be over with as quickly as possible.

I'm not sure I wouldn't be in a state of full cooperation just to ensure quick death. None of us are sure, but, with any death there is a moment of surrender - and that is usually when death is certain. When it is certain the only option is surrender.

It is that moment of peace that you hear people refer to before death.
Posted by NorthGwinnett LSU
Georgia Southern Fan
Member since Nov 2012
1917 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:19 pm to
I watched the very first video of Nick Berg back I guess about 10 years now. Most gruesome thing I have ever seen and said I would never watch anything like that again.

I assume that they are given some kind of drugs that is the only way you would ever get me to sit still.
Posted by Groovie
San Diego,California
Member since Aug 2013
460 posts
Posted on 9/15/14 at 1:38 pm to
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I watched the very first video of Nick Berg back I guess about 10 years now

I made the same mistake. I read up on it a few years ago and the people that knew Berg over there said he was very reckless. Would even go by himself in the worst parts. I feel bad for the guy and his family but you mess with the bull the horns will eventually get ya.
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