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A car dealer’s scientific guide to the 10 worst and 10 best used vehicles
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:48 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:48 am
https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/car-dealer-scientific-guide-10-worst-used-vehicles-222709616.html
If you were curious....here is the 10 best.
https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/car-dealer-scientific-guide-10-best-used-vehicles-181842236.html
Powertrain defect rate- pickup trucks.
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10. Volkswagen New Beetle (automatic transmission issues and cheap interior components; diesel models with 5-speed manuals are by far the best powertrain option.)
9. Mazda 626 (automatic transmission issues, all models.)
8. Lincoln Aviator (a gussied-up, unpopular Ford Explorer that had unique sensor and software issues which negatively impacted the overall powertrain and electronics.)
7. Jaguar S-Type (Extensive transmission and engine issues on all V-6 and V-8 models. Along with Limited edition models with ungodly replacement costs.)
6. Lincoln LS (Same basic powertrain as the Jaguar S-Type with nearly identical results.)
5. Mazda Millenia (Engine issues, transmission issues and cheap interiors that just don't wear well.)
4. Land Rover Discovery (Expensive parts. Expensive powertrains. Electronics that are apparently the spawn of Beelzebub.)
3. Mini Cooper (Bad transmissions that are unusually expensive to replace. Cheap interior parts. Cheap hydraulics.)
2. Land Rover Freelander (A cost-cutting exercise that went way past the bone.)
And a true shocker, the single worst used vehicle at the wholesale auctions when it comes to overall defect rate at trade-in time is....
1. Mazda CX-7 (Engine issues on these vehicles are legion with nearly a third of these vehicles sold with "Engine needs service" announcements at the auctions.)
If you were curious....here is the 10 best.
https://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/car-dealer-scientific-guide-10-best-used-vehicles-181842236.html
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Consumers often agonize about what vehicle should be their next car. When it comes to older used cars in particular, I have always offered buyers three ironclad pieces of advice:
• Your footwear is going to have a greater impact on your life than the car you drive.
• The driving and maintenance habits of the prior owner will have a far greater effect on a used car's longevity than the brand. So whatever you choose, make sure you have it inspected before you buy.
To give you a grasp of how divergent our findings have become versus the usual stereotypes, the Chevrolet Cavalier, a car not generally associated with quality, has registered more trade-ins with over 180,000 miles, and fewer defect issues, than the entire Volkswagen line-up. Other models that are no longer sold as new cars, such as the Buick Park Avenue and Saturn L200, are apparently capable of matching the overall quality of their classes' top-tier vehicles for thousands of dollars less.
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1. Lexus LX470/Toyota Land Cruiser
These vehicles are the automotive version of granite. They are heavy as hell, don’t age and will most assuredly squash whatever vehicular bugs and cockroaches are on the road should the Zombie Apocalypse ever take place. The Land Cruiser and LX470 are the best on our list.
2. Ford E-Series Van
While GM only offered a mild redesign of their full-sized vans back in 1995, and Dodge left the segment entirely, Ford decided to double down by improving the vehicle's interior design several times over, and then sticking with three engines that Ford has collectively put into over 10 million vehicles (the 4.6-liter V-8, the Trition 5.4-liter V-8, and the 6.8-liter V-10).
The end result is the best-selling full-sized van in today's market, and one whose durability has been earned the hard way. A true workhorse that is kept instead of curbed.
3. Lexus LS
The LS400, LS430 and LS460 are among the only ultra high-end luxury models that buck the trend of having dubious reliability and maintenance issues upon trade-in. No luxury car in our study, on average, is driven longer with more miles on the odometer, and fewer defects, than the Lexus LS series.
4. Chevrolet and GMC full-sized trucks and SUV's
Toyota and Lexus finished first and second in the Manufacturer Quality Index Rating. But guess who finished third? GMC.
With GMC only selling trucks and SUVs, all of which are also sold by Chevrolet, the two have combined to offer outstanding quality and durability that few others can match, which is one of the main reasons why GM trucks have remained so dominant. Suburbans, Silverados, Tahoes, Yukons and a long list of other makes and models are all part of the GMT platform which has remained at the forefront of vehicle longevity.
5. Ford full-sized trucks (V-8 and V-10 models only)
While Dodge remains a distant third, and Toyota and Nissan have barely made a dent in the full-size truck business, Ford has become Chevy's equal in the segment, and in certain cases, now the superior choice. The now defunct Ford Excursion holds the title as the third most reliable full-sized SUV in our study (the Land Cruiser and LX are first and second). Meanwhile the Ford F-Series is based on the P-platform which regularly yields that V-8, rear-wheel drive, body-on-frame combination that has made the F-150 the best selling vehicle in America for 32 years running.
6. Toyota Camry / Lexus ES / Toyota Avalon
We found in our year-long study that the Honda Accord has experienced a rash of transmission issues with V-6 models, and the Nissan Altima had severe oil consumption issues with the 2.5-liter four-cylinder engine. The Toyota Camry is the only midsized vehicle to remain consistently well above average for the last twenty years (click the chart here.) The mid-'90s to mid-2000s Lexus ES and Toyota Avalons are based on the Camry XV platform which laid the foundation for other standouts from this era, including the Toyota Solara and Sienna. The Avalon is the second-highest ranked car in our study.
7. Toyota 4Runner / Lexus GX470
We should mention that there have been two major platforms for older 4Runners. The older 4Runner was based on the Toyota truck and then later, an overseas model known as the Toyota Land Cruiser Prado. In 2003, Toyota decided to offer the North American only 4Runner with it's very own platform and added a Lexus variant. Both 4Runners are a cut above in terms of long-term reliability. The 4Runner and GX470 are ranked 5th and 8th respectfully while the older Toyota truck rounds off the top ten.
8. Honda S2000
Only 65,000 S2000s were built over a ten year period, and yet they remain neck-and-neck with the Mazda MX-5 Miata as the most popular roadster of the past decade. The S2000 has the distinct honor of being among the few on our list that are exceptionally reliable and fun to drive.
9. Toyota Prius
While the S2000 has served as a fun car for the enthusiast, the Prius has become the car of choice for planet-lovers and hipsters. Fewer than 4 percent of Prii that are traded-in exhibit any type of serious mechanical issue, and that includes problems with the hybrid battery. While the older Honda Civic Hybrid and Accord hybrid have all experienced substantial battery wear, the Prius remains among the most reliable vehicles in the marketplace by any standard.
10. Lexus GS
It was our hope to make this list a bit more diverse by incorporating platforms instead of single models, since Toyota has so far managed to nail down eight of the top ten slots in our long-term reliability study.
Powertrain defect rate- pickup trucks.
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This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 6:41 pm
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:50 am to dewster
Toyota killing that best list
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:51 am to dewster
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10. Volkswagen New Beetle (automatic transmission issues and cheap interior components; diesel models with 5-speed manuals are by far the best powertrain option.)
I can personally vouch for this one.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:54 am to dewster
What no Tacoma, this is bull. No list should leave the Toyota Tacoma of the best. Try to buy a used one. Now the worst, I could believe all of them. I know someone who had a LR Discovery who was paid to not bring it back to the dealership.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:54 am to dewster
10 WORST:
10 BEST:
Im sensing a theme here
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9. Mazda 626
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5. Mazda Millenia
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1. Mazda CX-7
10 BEST:
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9. Toyota Prius
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7. Toyota 4Runner
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6. Toyota Camry
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1. Toyota Land Cruiser
Im sensing a theme here
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:54 am to dewster
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Lexus LX470/Toyota Land Cruiser
Yeah, good luck finding a used one of those. My FIL was looking for a low mileage one for over a year before he had the lexus shipped in from Colorado.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:56 am to dewster
My wife and I own 2 of the 10 best. Go us.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:57 am to AUCE05
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Toyota killing that best list
Take out one Honda and the trucks from Chevrolet, GMC, and Ford....the entire list is Toyota or Lexus. In fairness to the domestic automakers, they grouped their entire large truck and SUV lineups into one segment.
I think this is interesting since the Mercedes, VW, BMW, and other European makers have such good reputations. Apparently the people buying Toyota, GM, and Ford vehicles are either providing better upkeep or the cars are designed in a way that makes them more durable.
I thought it was interesting that the Chevrolet Cavalier (which is very pretty basic vehicle....popular for high school kids) is apparently a better performer than the entire Volkswagen lineup.
Mazda is apparently one of the worst, which is interesting. It's a fairly popular Japanese car.....but unfortunately I can vouch for the fact that their transmissions are absolute crap. Contrast that with my 2007 Chevrolet Silverado....which is by far the best vehicle I've ever owned.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 10:03 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:59 am to LNCHBOX
i have a 1998 5speed 4Runner with just a hair under 300k miles on it.
other than replacing the battery and timing belts a few times, changing the oil is about all i ever do.
textbook definition of a well-built vehicle. and it still looks brand new.
the wife has a 2006 sequoia..also a damn tank. i think toyota fricked the sequoia up with the 2nd gen but the first gen has a bulletproof V8.
other than replacing the battery and timing belts a few times, changing the oil is about all i ever do.
textbook definition of a well-built vehicle. and it still looks brand new.
the wife has a 2006 sequoia..also a damn tank. i think toyota fricked the sequoia up with the 2nd gen but the first gen has a bulletproof V8.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 9:59 am to SPEEDY
don't forget Lexus is a Toyota company
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:00 am to TH03
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don't forget Lexus is a Toyota company
ya think?? what gave you that impression?
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:01 am to dewster
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I think this is interesting since the Mercedes, VW, BMW, and other European makers have such good reputations
They're expensive as hell to maintain and like to blow up.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:02 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I would have thought some of the higher end Hyandai vehicles like the genesis or equos would have been on there.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:03 am to CAD703X
read the post I was replying to, genius
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:04 am to Janky
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I would have thought some of the higher end Hyandai vehicles like the genesis or equos would have been on there.
My parents had a 2010 Genesis. It was a disaster....lots of electrical problems and engine cooling issues.
They are actually very problematic vehicles. Hyundai has improved, but they still aren't to the level of Toyota or the GM and Ford trucks.
This post was edited on 1/28/14 at 10:06 am
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:05 am to dewster
Ford diesel should be tops on that list by a wide margin
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:05 am to dewster
I love the Discovery/LR4, it is baffling that they're so problematic. What a waste.
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:07 am to dewster
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My parents had a 2010 Genesis. It was a disaster
Really, I wonder if it is just with the older models?
Posted on 1/28/14 at 10:09 am to Hammertime
I'm surprised the 6 leaker didn't make it.
I do think it's issues are a little over played. I know of a few with high miles that didn't have any major issues.
I do think it's issues are a little over played. I know of a few with high miles that didn't have any major issues.
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